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Old 07-09-2014, 06:30 AM   #3046
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Can you (Woody) build a Suzuki dr650se rear wheel with a 2.5x18" rim that doesn't have a safety bead hump? I want to run 130/90-18 tires without them being pinched into an overly rounded profile, and I'd also like to have the option of running thick-beaded tires like the T63 with a Tubliss insert.
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Old 07-11-2014, 07:56 PM   #3047
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Good to hear from you. Couple things, because the rear rim only has 32 holes, we can only get this rim in a non-dimpled variety, so if went that route, likely would want a non-dimpled front Excel to match. You can see difference below. Same exact rim, but on the dimpled rim, the nipple sits inside of the dimple and on non-visible portion of rim, does not protrude as much as on the non-dimple & they look a bit different, see images below.

Another note, on the gold, these would be custom rims, thus they are only available to us in silver and to make gold, we need to strip, polish, and anodize. Because these rims have a slightly different aluminum and anytime you try and anodize aluminum a second time, there typically tends to be some spotting that shows through on golds, oranges, blues, reds...Black and silver are the only colors that typically hide most of these little imperfections in the extrusions. Most of the time from afar, it's no big deal, but something to consider. Also, gold does tend to fade more quickly than silver and black.

Prices:

Rims in silver are: $236 for 21x1.85 & $278 for 17x3.50. Cost to strip, polish, anodize in gold is $75 per rim.
8 gauge spoke and nipples for front would be $99 ($111 for oversized 0.320" nipple)
kit for the rear, since 4 less spokes/nipples would be $88 ($98 for oversized 0.320" nipple)


Total cost for parts in gold: $850-875.

Cost to lace and true would be $99 per wheel as likely would need a bit of drilling on hub to fit.

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Hi Woody,

A couple months ago I asked you for a quote on some Excel rims. I've been busy since then, so I never got to actually pull the trigger, but it also made me rethink my color choice. So I kindly ask for a new quote for my 1988 Honda Africa Twin. I'm looking for:

Front 21"x1.85" -36 spoke, GOLD Excel rim.
Rear 17"x3.5" -32 spoke, GOLD Excel rim.
Stainless steel, 8 gauge spoke set for front rim (36 spokes).
Stainless steel, 8 gauge spoke set for rear rim (32 spokes).

How much for just the above materials, and how much extra is it to send in my front and rear hubs to have laced up to those two new rims using 8 gauge SS spokes?

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Old 07-11-2014, 08:03 PM   #3048
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Thanks for contacting us. We are finding that this is a trend for anyone taking there GSW or GSWA off-road. The wheels are just too wide for going off-road and the tire selection limited. The rims are actually better construction than the GS & GSA, but just too wide.

We recommend going to the 19x2.50" on the front and 17x4.25 or 17x4.00 on the rear to get the 110/80-19 & 150/70-17 tire selections and to get stronger wheels.

We can do this with our Superlite hubs, we are trying to make some modifications to also make available with BMS GS & GSA rims if you want that look.

On the Superlite's you are able to keep your stock rotors, ABS sensor etc.
A new set sealed for tubeless is about $2600, new set with tubes is about $2400.

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Hi Woody, I have the new GSA with a 3' x19" front rim. Ive just returned from riding on some very rough tracks and roads in central Australia. I have found that 7 front spokes were not even finger tight on the front rim. Ive tightened them up but the wheel is now slightly buckled. This may be down to weaker wheels or tyres. if i purchase a new front wheel can i run more tyre choices? At the moment i have only TKC80 and Karoo 3; Ideally i'd like 110x80x19.

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Old 07-11-2014, 08:09 PM   #3049
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Thanks for contacting us. DID rims come in 18x2.50 without a safety bead, we could look into sourcing. Otherwise, we could go with a slightly wider 18x2.75" Sun rim to give the tire a flatter profile(has a safety bead, but not that tall).

An 18x2.50" with a deep drop center or one with more rounded center is still an 18x2.50" and the tire will have same profile mounted. The 18x2.50" with rounded center is easier for tire changes because does not have a safety bead normally, and drop center larger and easier to get into.

Most likely can't have your cake and eat it too, the Tubliss insert is only available for the 18x2.15" rim.

Hope that helps.

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Can you (Woody) build a Suzuki dr650se rear wheel with a 2.5x18" rim that doesn't have a safety bead hump? I want to run 130/90-18 tires without them being pinched into an overly rounded profile, and I'd also like to have the option of running thick-beaded tires like the T63 with a Tubliss insert.
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Old 07-12-2014, 11:03 AM   #3050
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Great, thanks for the detailed reponse. Have Excels never been available in gold stateside, or is it just a Woody's thing?

Edit: I have sourced some OEM dimpled Gold Excel rims from England. If I had them ship it to you, and I ship you my hubs, can I still have Woody's lace them up with 8 gauge SS spokes? We can continue this over PMs or email if you'd like.

Again, thanks for your help.

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Good to hear from you. Couple things, because the rear rim only has 32 holes, we can only get this rim in a non-dimpled variety, so if went that route, likely would want a non-dimpled front Excel to match. You can see difference below. Same exact rim, but on the dimpled rim, the nipple sits inside of the dimple and on non-visible portion of rim, does not protrude as much as on the non-dimple & they look a bit different, see images below.

Another note, on the gold, these would be custom rims, thus they are only available to us in silver and to make gold, we need to strip, polish, and anodize. Because these rims have a slightly different aluminum and anytime you try and anodize aluminum a second time, there typically tends to be some spotting that shows through on golds, oranges, blues, reds...Black and silver are the only colors that typically hide most of these little imperfections in the extrusions. Most of the time from afar, it's no big deal, but something to consider. Also, gold does tend to fade more quickly than silver and black.

Prices:

Rims in silver are: $236 for 21x1.85 & $278 for 17x3.50. Cost to strip, polish, anodize in gold is $75 per rim.
8 gauge spoke and nipples for front would be $99 ($111 for oversized 0.320" nipple)
kit for the rear, since 4 less spokes/nipples would be $88 ($98 for oversized 0.320" nipple)


Total cost for parts in gold: $850-875.

Cost to lace and true would be $99 per wheel as likely would need a bit of drilling on hub to fit.

Thanks,
Chris

Non-dimpled rim here:

Dimpled rim here:

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Old 07-15-2014, 02:47 AM   #3051
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Hey Woody,

I want a canyon carver/road touring wheel set for my HP2 enduro. I have seen you produce 17/17 SUMO wheels for this bike in 3.5"front, 5.0" rear widths. I assume that 2.5" is still the ideal width for the 19" front, at least until tires catch up to the 3.0" wheel width. What is the ideal rear wheel width?

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Old 07-15-2014, 05:05 PM   #3052
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Hey Woody,

I want a canyon carver/road touring wheel set for my HP2 enduro. I have seen you produce 17/17 SUMO wheels for this bike in 3.5"front, 5.0" rear widths. I assume that 2.5" is still the ideal width for the 19" front, at least until tires catch up to the 3.0" wheel width. What is the ideal rear wheel width?

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4.25x17 rear( can even go to 5.5 x17 and 18 for 180/55 tires) If we go with x-laced BMW style rim it is a 4.00x17"

can use new 3x19 and 5x17 rims from the new water cooled GSs
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Old 07-15-2014, 10:18 PM   #3053
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Africa Twin & gold Excel availability

Glad you found some. Can you confirm that the 17x3.50 is drilled for a rear hub? If not, it can be re-angled, but not always ideal.

If you had ship to us, we could re-angle holes for your holes and lace larger gauge spokes for your hubs. 8 gauge would probably be best for the Africa Twin, Spokes, nipples, and labor will be $200-230 per wheel depending on what type of nipple we use.

Gold Excels are available in the states in common dirtbike and SuMo sizes. 21x1.60, 19x1.85, 19x2.15, 18x1.85, 18x2.15, 17x3.50(drilled for fronts and usually 36H), & 17x4.25 typically. Otherwise they usually need to be custom anodized.

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Great, thanks for the detailed reponse. Have Excels never been available in gold stateside, or is it just a Woody's thing?

Edit: I have sourced some OEM dimpled Gold Excel rims from England. If I had them ship it to you, and I ship you my hubs, can I still have Woody's lace them up with 8 gauge SS spokes? We can continue this over PMs or email if you'd like.

Again, thanks for your help.
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Old 07-16-2014, 06:38 AM   #3054
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Woody,

I just picked up a 2005.5 950 Adventure that has your superlaced 17/19 combo on it. I am loving the setup for my commute, but have designs on WABDR and a few singletrack rides, and am interested in having a second setup for more serious dirt in 18/21. The original hubs were used in the creation of the 17/19 setup, and I have been watching ebay and the flea market for anyone selling hubs for a 950 Adventure, but no joy. I am wanting to approach this with a frugal mindset, as I haven't been on two (road) wheels for a while, and the sustainment budget is still sticker shocking the SO.
I have the original 18/21 rims, but I have read that they are barely stronger than spaghetti. What is your recommendation for a somewhat budget minded option to set up an 18/21 dirt wheelset? Not up to super billet hubs and custom anodized rims at this time.

If this has been asked, I apologize, I am overseas at the moment, and bandwidth issues have kept me from completing some of the longer threads.

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Old 07-17-2014, 07:43 AM   #3055
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Hi Woody
I bought one of your 19/17 Caponord wheel sets from an inmate here.
They are great!
This leaves my 21/18 wheels targeted for long tours with more off road.
I'd like to be able to run 140 width rear tires.
For example ride from CA to any state with back country discovery routes.
I'd have luggage for the long trip but may leave it in camp for more challenging day loops.
I will not be racing, just adventuring.
I would reuse my OEM rear hub.
You offer several narrower rear rims.
What do you recommend?
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Old 07-17-2014, 11:04 AM   #3056
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Glad you found some. Can you confirm that the 17x3.50 is drilled for a rear hub? If not, it can be re-angled, but not always ideal.

If you had ship to us, we could re-angle holes for your holes and lace larger gauge spokes for your hubs. 8 gauge would probably be best for the Africa Twin, Spokes, nipples, and labor will be $200-230 per wheel depending on what type of nipple we use.

Gold Excels are available in the states in common dirtbike and SuMo sizes. 21x1.60, 19x1.85, 19x2.15, 18x1.85, 18x2.15, 17x3.50(drilled for fronts and usually 36H), & 17x4.25 typically. Otherwise they usually need to be custom anodized.

Thanks,
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I talked to Jonathan from Rugged Roads yesterday, who I'll be buying the rims from. Although the rims are drilled for the number of spokes, he did mention that the angle will have to be modified slightly for this hub.


Another snag: The hubs are already out and separated from the old rims, and I neglected to think about how you'll go about getting the offset. I doubt Woody's has ever laced up 1988 Africa Twin RD03 hubs, so I imagine you don't have that offset handy. I'll do some research and hopefully come up with the necessary offsets, unless you have a better idea. Sorry about that.
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Old 07-17-2014, 01:01 PM   #3057
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Woody,

I just picked up a 2005.5 950 Adventure that has your superlaced 17/19 combo on it. I am loving the setup for my commute, but have designs on WABDR and a few singletrack rides, and am interested in having a second setup for more serious dirt in 18/21. The original hubs were used in the creation of the 17/19 setup, and I have been watching ebay and the flea market for anyone selling hubs for a 950 Adventure, but no joy. I am wanting to approach this with a frugal mindset, as I haven't been on two (road) wheels for a while, and the sustainment budget is still sticker shocking the SO.
I have the original 18/21 rims, but I have read that they are barely stronger than spaghetti. What is your recommendation for a somewhat budget minded option to set up an 18/21 dirt wheelset? Not up to super billet hubs and custom anodized rims at this time.

If this has been asked, I apologize, I am overseas at the moment, and bandwidth issues have kept me from completing some of the longer threads.

Thanks,

gofaster275
It is rare to find these hubs good used and extra wheels are in high demand, so rare to find. Even after replacing hundreds of these rims, we rarely have good used ones available. The one thing we have tons of are good used spokes & nipples, so that saves some money. The only other used part we have in our entire inventory is a used front stock silver rim for $75.

Least expensive off-road worthy set-up would be(wherever you can provide good used stuff i.e. hubs, can save money over the below):

$216 - 21x1.85 Silver Excel
$260 - 18x3.50 Silver Excel
$30 per wheel for good used Spokes & Nipples
$295 - Front Stock Hub
$255 - Rear Stock Hub

$1086 Total for parts

$99 per wheel to lace & true

Thanks for inquiring
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Hi Woody
I bought one of your 19/17 Caponord wheel sets from an inmate here.
They are great!
This leaves my 21/18 wheels targeted for long tours with more off road.
I'd like to be able to run 140 width rear tires.
For example ride from CA to any state with back country discovery routes.
I'd have luggage for the long trip but may leave it in camp for more challenging day loops.
I will not be racing, just adventuring.
I would reuse my OEM rear hub.
You offer several narrower rear rims.
What do you recommend?

Recommend the 18x3.50" rear rim for this application. If your spokes and nipples in good condition can re-use. If not, have used sets for $30 or new Stainless for $130. The black Excel is $335.

Would recommend a 18x2.75" or 18x2.50" rim only if doing lots of hard off-road riding with little street.

If need us to relace and true, with your spokes, cost is $129 to unlace, lace, true, $99 to lace & true with used spokes, or $111 to Superlace & true if go Stainless route.

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I talked to Jonathan from Rugged Roads yesterday, who I'll be buying the rims from. Although the rims are drilled for the number of spokes, he did mention that the angle will have to be modified slightly for this hub.


Another snag: The hubs are already out and separated from the old rims, and I neglected to think about how you'll go about getting the offset. I doubt Woody's has ever laced up 1988 Africa Twin RD03 hubs, so I imagine you don't have that offset handy. I'll do some research and hopefully come up with the necessary offsets, unless you have a better idea. Sorry about that.

We have built several wheels for this motorcycle, don't have the offsets in front of me, but sure that we can build to proper spec.

Thanks,
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