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Old 10-02-2008, 04:48 PM   #946
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Newer vs. older F650GS

Misunderstood, thought you were talking about the older F650. Looked at the newer F650 wheels through the parts fiche and it appears that the front hub off the older F650's will work, but the rear may be different. Would not be able to tell definitively without having a set of wheels to take measurements.

In any case, we cannot lace the older F650 hubs to "true" tubeless rims. They have the wrong indexing.

Hope this helps and if you know anyone who would like to lend the wheels for R&D, have them contact us.

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Woody,

You said that the hubs from an older BMW F650 or Dakar would fit the new twin F650. If so, then is it possible to build a tubeless set of spoked wheels for the new F650 by using a true tubeless rim? The equation ...

2 Dakar hubs + 2 bmw rims + new spokes + $ = spoked wheels for 09 BMW F650

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Old 10-02-2008, 04:59 PM   #947
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You could fit a 4.00 or 110/90 tire on it, but a 100/90 would probably work better. I don't believe the electric bike has a lot of power and the narrower tire should be enough.

3/4" is a lot, I would not recommend changing the offset that much because it will eliminate the triangulation on one side of the wheel and make it a much weaker wheel. Plus, the hub is already small and you would have to do a lot of drilling on the rim to make it work. All in all, I wouldn't recommend doing it without a wider hub.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

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Hi. Quickie followup questions about my 19" electric rear wheel:

1) Can I fit a 2.75" and 4.00" tire on a 1.85" rim, or should it be larger?

2) Is it safe to dish the rim 3/4"?
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Old 10-09-2008, 10:06 PM   #948
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Here's a pic of a DID 1.85x19 48H I found after many days of searching. Non-dimpled is fine. I wonder if you can get a red colored rim
hi well i'm back in town and want to add my 2 cents to what chris had said,,,

IMHO that did rim is more than adequate for your purposes,,,i believe it comes off an old kwawasaki Special edition cruiser,,,

regarding what chris said about the offset,,,i don't think you'll need 3/4'' offset for starters,,,

1...tell me how much clearance you have between the chain and the tire,

2,,,tell me the overall width of the tire inthe picture,,and that'll tell me what we really can and can't do

send both wheels in and we'll set you up and offset the rim to the left enough for you to mount a 4'' tire on there,,,we can get the rim anodized red ,,,satin finish is cheaper because we don't have to polish the rim,,minimally the rim needs to be stripped before reanodizing,,,

OBTW,,,i have one of those rims in stock,,,,circa $150,,what did ya have to pay for the kawa rwheel,,,?? just curious
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Old 10-09-2008, 10:19 PM   #949
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some truing advice,,,,

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hola Woody, you replaced a few spokes in my 950a last year, since then it has been great, no touching up etc...
You may have answered this before, i've searched the post, if so forgive me, if you have.
i have 2 ktms, 950adventure, and a 690enduro. i also have a faast torque wrench, and a fair amount of experience building and keeping up mtBike rims.

After loosening then torquing every 4th spoke, i find that some spokes were originally tighter (in groups) then others. i retorqued slowly maybe 1/8 turn per spoke, every 4th. i did this several times through. Now, each spoke is torqued properly, but i have way too much run out, side to side.
This happened on 2 rims, but the other 2 are fine.
What did i do wrong?
What can i do to right this? i used my ol'mtbike skills to at least get it within reason, but i am uncomfortable with the results, because the spokes are not torqued unevenly.

thank you,
j
well IMHO you spent too much time watching your torque reading,,,instead of truing your wheel

FYI,,,if all the spokes are equally tight,,,then move the rim to where you want it by equally loosening first and then tightening the opposing spokes in the direction you want the rim to go
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Old 10-12-2008, 02:52 AM   #950
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R100GS front wheel

Woody, I have a 21" front wheel on my R100PD that has a small crck on the inside of the rim by a spoke nipple.
I want to ask you if;
1) can it be welded
2) what alternate conventional rim would you recommend?
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Old 10-12-2008, 12:04 PM   #951
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Bmw R100gs/pd cracked rim repair suggestions

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Woody, I have a 21" front wheel on my R100PD that has a small crck on the inside of the rim by a spoke nipple.
I want to ask you if;
1) can it be welded
2) what alternate conventional rim would you recommend?
first let's make sure what rim you have ,,,late model 100GS/PD used x-lace tubeless wheels using Akront rims with the nipples in the hub,,,, these tended to be brittle,,all replacement rims 1.85x21 are polished Behr

earlier versions had standard type spoke and nipples ie nipples in the rim,,,thes erims were notorious for getting hairline cracks emanating from the nipple hole,,,we have welded these before,,,my preference would be to get a current version of the BMW rim or a good aftermarket rim these tend be made of a better alloy,,,Sun,,,Excel,,Saxess are in that league

oooops,,,,just reread the post and see that you did say 100PD ,,,well,,now you the info for both versions of the R100
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Old 10-12-2008, 12:56 PM   #952
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Hi Woody,

I've noticed that the Stelvio and the Moto Morini have Excel tubless spoke rims. Have you had any thoughts of mating those to a KTM hub?

If it's a matter of the wrong hole count could you not just have your supplier of your billet hub manufacture a hub with the proper hole spacing.

Sorry if this has been asked before. Thanks.
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Old 10-13-2008, 04:55 PM   #953
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hi, i have an 01 lc4 640 sm, i wanna do about 50/50 dirt/road riding. nothing hardcore off road. i just want to go down dirt road and occasional dirt trails. im having a hard time finding tires for my 17" rims. what would be the best fix, new rims, if so what size, or tires? im on a tight budget, arent we all
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Old 10-16-2008, 07:43 AM   #954
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Hi Woody,

I've noticed that the Stelvio and the Moto Morini have Excel tubless spoke rims. Have you had any thoughts of mating those to a KTM hub?

If it's a matter of the wrong hole count could you not just have your supplier of your billet hub manufacture a hub with the proper hole spacing.

Sorry if this has been asked before. Thanks.
no problem,,,yes it has been asked before,,,,yes i have several solutions ,,one of which bangs into Alpina's 30+ patents that they have bought up,,,so i have tried to join them,,,we'll see how it ends up...

every thing i do with them has to be ordered in 1000 spoke increments,,,, a hugh investment when you need up to 4 diffent spoke lengths on some wheels,,,,and they have the proprietary rights to everything including ''the 'IDEA' of a tubeless wheel

so yes,,,i alredy have all the specs etc,,,i'm working on the resolution,,the other part of the equation is that alot of their stuff that is available is done to manufactures specs,,,and i operate outside that chalkboard consistently,,,hence stock replacement lengths /sizes aren't compatible with my improved Superlace needs
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Old 10-16-2008, 08:00 AM   #955
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here's the cheapest /hi benefit ratio solution for making your LC-4 SM a dual-sport

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hi, i have an 01 lc4 640 sm, i wanna do about 50/50 dirt/road riding. nothing hardcore off road. i just want to go down dirt road and occasional dirt trails. im having a hard time finding tires for my 17" rims. what would be the best fix, new rims, if so what size, or tires? im on a tight budget, arent we all
lucky you!!!!

for starters you already have an optimal rear wheel size and configuration
it's a circa 4-4.25x17 that takes a 150/80x17 tire AND you have a cush drive or should have ben equiped with one ,,,a VERY desirable feature when doing road work

as to your front we want to set you up with a 2.50x19 rim that takes the 110/90 or 120/80 x19 tire,,,once again these rim sizes have the ability for you to access the broadest range of dual sport tires on the market,,,FYI,,the majority of dualsport bikes outside of KTM come in these sizes

you may even like the improved roadability of this set-up ,,it is no where as twitchy on the highway and curves,,its a major improvement IMHO.

cost??? anywhere from $250-500 depending on all the variabeles of good used and you doing the work or having us do it with primo stuff,,just call and we'll get a win -win situation fgured out.

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Old 10-19-2008, 09:14 PM   #956
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I'm trying to get an idea of the range of tire sizes I could use on a 4.25 in wheel width on my 800 gs.

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I'm trying to get an idea of the range of tire sizes I could use on a 4.25 in wheel width on my 800 gs.

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well,,,first you need to figure out what you are planning to use it for,,,,you need to know how much clearance is available laterally and radialy(if you plan on deviating from oem/stock sizes,,,

this link will tell you what size tires you can put on the rim width that you currently have:

http://www.woodyswheelworks.com/rim_and_tire.htm

so from the chart it looks like a variety of sizes are available from 130/60 to 160/80

now what is optimal still needs to be figured out,,,you need to know what you HAVE : ie
1...rim width/diameter
2...tire size
3...tire model ie dual sport/knobby/street

then we need to figure out what you want to DO with it: BWOE ride 50/50 street/fireroads??? or 80/20 street /dirt etc,etc

only then can we recommend optimal choices

woody

PS,,i'm laughing because somehow i mis construed your simple question to include ''optimal'' ,,,the answer is in there anyway
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Woody - Could you give me an idea on the cost of a set of black rimmed wheels on my Triumph Scrambler if I brought in the stock wheels and you used the existing hubs laced to new wheels? The hubs come stock black. Rough idea? You can P.M. me if you wish.
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approximate cost on alloy rim set for Triumph scrambler

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Woody - Could you give me an idea on the cost of a set of black rimmed wheels on my Triumph Scrambler if I brought in the stock wheels and you used the existing hubs laced to new wheels? The hubs come stock black. Rough idea? You can P.M. me if you wish.
darmahman,,,you give me rather skiimpy info,,,hence i'll give you a rough idea for the pair,,,labor: zirca $160-198......parts: zirca $400-650

items that would be nice to know that add/subtract from an average price:

1,reusing stock spokes or ss spokes with Zartan or ss nipples
2,size....brand....width ....material of rim you want...

BWOE if you have steel rims we could powdercoat them black...OR... if you have alloy rims we could strip and re-anodize black...OR get new ones

3,the kind of riding and strength/hassle free maintenancs (Superlace) you desire.

see... theres a lot of variables,,woody
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