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Old 02-10-2014, 08:22 AM   #1
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alternator GS LC

Getting ready to pull the trigger on a new GS this week. Now I find out the alternator is inside the engine case. All the Goldwings had a similar design in the late 70's and 80's. Alternators don't last as long as the engine. This sounds like buying a bike with a time bomb in it. As soon as the warranty is over maybe a long way from home the bomb goes off. What are your thoughts?
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Old 02-10-2014, 08:35 AM   #2
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My 1976 CB750F still charges the battery when it runs, so the old stator on that bike is still good after all this time. I seriously doubt that the one being used in the GSW is going to be problematic very soon at all. That is just my opinion, but I did buy a 2013 GSW, so I am walking the walk too.
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Old 02-10-2014, 09:49 AM   #3
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If I never bought a bike because I was worried that its alternator may someday go bad, I suppose I'd never buy a bike......
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Old 02-10-2014, 10:14 AM   #4
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If I never bought a bike because I was worried that its alternator may someday go bad, I suppose I'd never buy a bike......
On my current bike my alternator was replaced under warranty once and once I unbolted it and took it to a automotive re-builder for $139.00. What is your guess to have a dealer replace a LC alternator. Does money really have no meaning to you.
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Old 02-10-2014, 10:57 AM   #5
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The only bike where I ever had an issue with the alternator was one where it was outside the engine case (K1200LT). "unbolting" that was a major job.
I had to remove the (internal) alternators from a number of other bikes for various maintenance tasks or other reasons and all of them were very easy to remove/replace.
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Old 02-10-2014, 11:12 AM   #6
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On my current bike my alternator was replaced under warranty once and once I unbolted it and took it to a automotive re-builder for $139.00. What is your guess to have a dealer replace a LC alternator. Does money really have no meaning to you.
FWIW: In order to replace the GS-LC stator they have to remove the engine and the gearbox first, according to the service manual. Your guess is as good as mine what that would cost, labor-wise. Sometimes mass centralization is good, sometimes not. If that makes you too uncomfortable to own the LC, there are plenty of camheads and hexheads for sale I'm sure. Good luck with whatever you decide to purchase!
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Old 02-10-2014, 11:14 AM   #7
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Don't worry.. The GS internal stator is only a little over a $1000. Plus labor to install.... What's to think about..

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Old 02-10-2014, 03:07 PM   #8
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You do not have to remove the engine to replace the alternator.

The front cover, the clutch, the gearbox and then the alternator, doesn't look nearly as difficult as it sounds.
I'm estimating a 3-4 hour job max.
The price of the alternator is whole other story, but typically alternators (stators) are very reliable.
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typically alternators (stators) are very reliable.
Say that to F800xx riders.. Apparently, BMW didn't have adequate cooling holes in the rotor, causing stators to burn up between 20K - 50K miles. The rotor has now been redesigned with big cooling holes.
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Old 02-10-2014, 03:43 PM   #10
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You do not have to remove the engine to replace the alternator.
On a wethead? To remove the alternator you first have to remove the gearbox. I think you have to remove the engine to remove the gearbox.

That said, worrying about an alternator that may break somewhere down the line is a little foolish. On earlier bikes you KNEW that at some time you'd have to replace the clutch (if you kept the bike). I'd guess that replacing the clutch on one an earlier bike is about the same magnitude job as replacing an alternator.
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Old 02-10-2014, 07:30 PM   #11
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You do not have to remove the engine to replace the alternator.
The front cover, the clutch, the gearbox and then the alternator, doesn't look nearly as difficult as it sounds.
I'm estimating a 3-4 hour job max.
Strange, you must be looking at a different factory service manual than I am. Mine is very explicit that engine removal is the first step. Especially since the gearbox is on the back of the motor, and the stator is bolted into the rear of the block in front of the gearbox. But hell, we'll take your word for it.
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Old 02-10-2014, 08:07 PM   #12
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Thanks for everyone's reply. I have not needed a clutch or trans repair in the last 375k. I consider tires, brakes, springs, shocks, starters, and alternators to be consumables. Alternators should not be inside the engine. I will probably buy any way. It will give me something to bitch about. Let you know.
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Old 02-10-2014, 08:10 PM   #13
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Alternators should not be inside the engine
why do you say that ?

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Old 02-10-2014, 11:38 PM   #14
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Alternators should not be inside the engine.
like pretty much every bike on the planet except for some of the giants?

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On a wethead? To remove the alternator you first have to remove the gearbox. I think you have to remove the engine to remove the gearbox.
it's a single case on the wet isn't it? The idea of remove the engine THEN the gearbox seems rather odd. I can understand the separate gearbox models where you can split the bike in half and remove the gearbox while leaving the engine in the frame but separation of the two in distinct stages for the wet? How does that work? Like you also said though - seems pointless to base the purchase on that alone.
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Old 02-11-2014, 05:11 AM   #15
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why do you say that ?

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This is supposed to be an adventure bike. When you are far away, think about the days lost from your trip, the tow charges, and the cost to repair a failed alternator. On my Goldwing I can remove my alternator in 30 minutes and take it to any automotive electric shop and re install myself in another 30 minutes.
I will probably buy any way. I have SUCKER tattooed on my forehead.
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