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Old 10-17-2012, 11:40 AM   #25666
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You should have a look at their frog model. All bases covered.
My mistake, as I forgot about the Frogs.
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:42 AM   #25667
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Gummee, I dug through the CF bike frame links that you provided, but didn't find what I was looking for and was wondering if you had any advice.

I want to upgrade my wife's frame (most of her components are upgraded from stock 105 to my old bike's Ultegra group and some DA brakes that magically appeared a while back. ).

She's currently on a 5 year-old Al Scattante frame, but I'd like to surprise her with some new CF hotness. I'm looking for a relaxed geometry like the Specialized Ruby or Giant Avail, but I don't want to buy a complete bike. YakSprout put a hole in our disposable income so I'm on a tight budget.

Any leads on female-oriented geometry frames? She's on a 56 standard frame that we've made fit, but she should probably be on a 54/55.

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Old 10-17-2012, 12:01 PM   #25668
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Been a member here for many years.Just found this thread and subscribed. I'll be 59 Nov. 1st. We moved to the Big Island of Hawaii last year and had bought a house here. The seller was moving back to the mainland so didn't want to ship all their stuff back. They threw everything into the deal. Furniture, dishes,riding lawn mower (one acre of property), and an inexpensive mountain bike.I have been working out in a gym since I was 49, so I'm in decent shape. Had a right knee injury that is better now, and have a left ankle problem that one doctor said is tendonitus.I recently started riding this 21 speed mountain bike. First rides were to my daughter's place to feed the animals and check on things. That was about 11 miles round. Next I rode to the Keaau Post Office to get our mail from the PO box. 13 miles. Then to Pahoa for my Saturday chess club. About 17 miles with a persistant headwind on the trip to Pahoa. I am working up to a run to Hilo which will be 25 miles round plus whatever running around I do in Hilo.
I am enjoying riding very much again and find myself coming up with any excuse for a ride. Lets see......burning no gas (which is more here than most mainland areas), helps me to stay in shape, FUN AS HELL...., our main highways here have generous shoulders to ride on that we share with the smaller mopeds and scooters.
The bike is a Wally World special. It's a "Next" Plush mountainbike with for and aft suspension. Made in 2005 and looks like brand new. Brakes and shifters workwell. Seat is a torture rack. Someone seems to have done a decent setup and adjust on this bike. I won't even consider getting a better bike till I show myself that I will stay with this. Picked up a water bottle mount for the handlebars (no frame mount), a compact tire pump, tire levers and a patch kit, two spare tubes, a multi tool with chain tool, and I think I'll order a set of Kenda K838 tires http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=ATVPDKIKX0DER and a helmet.
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Old 10-17-2012, 03:39 PM   #25669
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Any leads on female-oriented geometry frames? She's on a 56 standard frame that we've made fit, but she should probably be on a 54/55.
I put "ruby" into search tempest.

Only one avail popped up.

I wouldn't get too wrapped up in "women-specific", if you're only buying a frameset. Some brands claim a lighter layup, in the carbon, for women. But, mostly, they're just adding narrower bars, tighter reach levers, and/or women's seat. Sometimes, the geometries favor a little lower standover, but, the biggest concern is in the TT length. However, a woman who can ride a 54/55cm can straddle about anything reasonable, so I'd just be on the lookout for the TT dimension.
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Old 10-17-2012, 05:37 PM   #25670
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I put "ruby" into search tempest.

Only one avail popped up.

I wouldn't get too wrapped up in "women-specific", if you're only buying a frameset. Some brands claim a lighter layup, in the carbon, for women. But, mostly, they're just adding narrower bars, tighter reach levers, and/or women's seat. Sometimes, the geometries favor a little lower standover, but, the biggest concern is in the TT length. However, a woman who can ride a 54/55cm can straddle about anything reasonable, so I'd just be on the lookout for the TT dimension.
Thanks duc. I'll have a look around.
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Old 10-17-2012, 06:05 PM   #25671
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I wouldn't get too wrapped up in "women-specific", if you're only buying a frameset. Some brands claim a lighter layup, in the carbon, for women. But, mostly, they're just adding narrower bars, tighter reach levers, and/or women's seat. Sometimes, the geometries favor a little lower standover, but, the biggest concern is in the TT length. However, a woman who can ride a 54/55cm can straddle about anything reasonable, so I'd just be on the lookout for the TT dimension.
I'm comparing the Ruby Elite Apex Compact with the Roubiax Elite Apex Compact as they seem to be equivalent bikes.

naturally, the Ruby uses different size numbers (WTF?) but the "540.0" seems equivalent to the men's 54. There are distinct differences in the geometry.

these are... What - Roubaix / Ruby.... comparing that 54 to the 540.0.
  • Seattube - 495 / 456.5
  • Top Tube - 548 / 539
  • BB Drop - 71.5 / 73
  • Standover - 776 / 668

I ignored anything that's within a gnats ass of the same (73.5 vs 74 degree seat tube angle? hah!). I also ignored stuff like crank lengths (men's bike has longer cranks)

so yeah, I'd say that frame geometry has been tweaked. that or you just can't compare the sizes :-/
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Old 10-17-2012, 06:32 PM   #25672
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Gummee, I dug through the CF bike frame links that you provided, but didn't find what I was looking for and was wondering if you had any advice.

I want to upgrade my wife's frame (most of her components are upgraded from stock 105 to my old bike's Ultegra group and some DA brakes that magically appeared a while back. ).

She's currently on a 5 year-old Al Scattante frame, but I'd like to surprise her with some new CF hotness. I'm looking for a relaxed geometry like the Specialized Ruby or Giant Avail, but I don't want to buy a complete bike. YakSprout put a hole in our disposable income so I'm on a tight budget.

Any leads on female-oriented geometry frames? She's on a 56 standard frame that we've made fit, but she should probably be on a 54/55.

Thanks!
Check out Pedalforce. They are carbon frames that are made in Taiwan. I have the CG2 frame which is a more relaxed geometry. I built it up with Campy Record and love the bike. There is is a group buy going on now and you can get the frame for $590. http://pedalforce.com/online/product...ducts_id=22633

It looks like the deadline passed but I got into my group buy a few days late with no issue.
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Old 10-17-2012, 08:19 PM   #25673
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Old 10-17-2012, 10:59 PM   #25674
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Check out Pedalforce. They are carbon frames that are made in Taiwan. I have the CG2 frame which is a more relaxed geometry. I built it up with Campy Record and love the bike. There is is a group buy going on now and you can get the frame for $590. http://pedalforce.com/online/product...ducts_id=22633

It looks like the deadline passed but I got into my group buy a few days late with no issue.
I checked that group buy and it closed 2 days ago. Argh! For the price, it's nearly worth it to just grab it, build it up and have her ride it for a month. If she doesn't like it, no big loss.

There was no 'buy' link on the page. How do you get in late?
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Old 10-18-2012, 12:24 AM   #25675
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one minor thing thats annoying me on my hybrid is the 3x8 gearing... front has a 48-38-28, and the rear is a 11,12,14,16,18,21,26,32

when I'm on the 38 or the 48, the middle gear steps are just too big so I found myself doing a lot of cross-shifting today, especially around the 26-21-18 in back.. pain in butt. and I'm sure not pushing an 11 with the big ring any time soon.

I just ordered a HG50 road 8-speed cassette to tide me over til I can do the 2x9 or 2x10 conversion. 13-14-15-17-19-21-23-26T ....
so I decided to mash some ratios in sql, I dunno why, this came to me today.

tables:
  • crankset: (i integer, f numeric);
  • cassette: (j integer, r numeric);

populate...
  • insert into crankset values (1,48),(1,38),(1,28);
  • insert into cassette values (1,11),(1,12),(1,14),(1,16),(1,18),(1,21),(1,26),( 1,32);
  • insert into cassette values (2,13),(2,14),(2,15),(2,17),(2,19),(2,21),(2,24),( 2,26);

so ratios with my current cassette (j=1)...
  • select f,r,to_char(f/r,'0.99') as ratio from crankset join cassette on true where i=1 and j=1 order by 3;
    ..f | r | ratio
    ----+----+-------
    28 | 32 | 0.88
    28 | 26 | 1.08
    38 | 32 | 1.19
    28 | 21 | 1.33
    38 | 26 | 1.46
    28 | 18 | 1.56
    28 | 16 | 1.75
    38 | 21 | 1.81
    48 | 26 | 1.85
    28 | 14 | 2.00
    38 | 18 | 2.11
    48 | 21 | 2.29
    28 | 12 | 2.33
    38 | 16 | 2.38
    48 | 18 | 2.67
    38 | 14 | 2.71
    48 | 16 | 3.00
    38 | 12 | 3.17
    48 | 14 | 3.43
    38 | 11 | 3.45
    48 | 12 | 4.00
    48 | 11 | 4.36

(I didn't want to teach SQL about crossing over, so I manually deleted the 48:32 and 28:11)

my new cassette (j=2)
  • select f,r,to_char(f/r,'0.99') as ratio from crankset join cassette on true where i=1 and j=2 order by 3;
    ..f | r | ratio
    ----+----+--------
    28 | 26 | 1.08
    28 | 24 | 1.17
    28 | 21 | 1.33
    38 | 26 | 1.46
    38 | 24 | 1.58
    28 | 17 | 1.65
    38 | 21 | 1.81
    38 | 19 | 2.00
    48 | 21 | 2.29
    48 | 19 | 2.53
    38 | 14 | 2.71
    48 | 17 | 2.82
    38 | 13 | 2.92
    48 | 15 | 3.20
    48 | 14 | 3.43
    48 | 13 | 3.69

and, ok, this has a few duplicate gears, so I'm gonna cherry pick and delete those. meh, maybe I'm better off with the wider range cassette

ok, now if I stick with this 8 speed, and do a 50-34 front...
  • insert into crankset values (2,50),(2,34);
  • select f,r,to_char(f/r,'0.99') as ratio from crankset join cassette on true where i=2 and j=2 order by 3;
    ..f | r | ratio
    ----+----+--------
    34 | 26 | 1.31
    34 | 24 | 1.42
    34 | 21 | 1.62
    34 | 19 | 1.79
    34 | 17 | 2.00
    34 | 15 | 2.27
    50 | 21 | 2.38
    50 | 19 | 2.63
    50 | 17 | 2.94
    50 | 15 | 3.33
    50 | 14 | 3.57
    50 | 13 | 3.85

also trimmed for the extremes plus double shifts
ok, I lose two gears at the bottom, but the top range seems much saner.

whats this look like with my original cassette?
  • select f,r,to_char(f/r,'0.99') as ratio from crankset join cassette on true where i=2 and j=1 order by 3;
    ..f | r | ratio
    ----+----+--------
    34 | 32 | 1.06
    34 | 26 | 1.31
    34 | 21 | 1.62
    34 | 18 | 1.89
    34 | 16 | 2.13
    50 | 21 | 2.38
    50 | 18 | 2.78
    50 | 16 | 3.13
    50 | 14 | 3.57
    50 | 12 | 4.17
    50 | 11 | 4.555

hmmm. need more gears! hmmm, 10 speed 12-30 ?!? oooh.
  • insert into cassette values (3,12),(3,13),(3,14),(3,15),(3,17),(3,19),(3,21),( 3,24),(3,27),(3,30);
  • select f,r,to_char(f/r,'0.99') as ratio from crankset join cassette on true where i=2 and j=3 order by 3;
    ..f | r | ratio
    ----+----+--------
    34 | 30 | 1.13
    34 | 27 | 1.26
    34 | 24 | 1.42
    34 | 21 | 1.62
    34 | 19 | 1.79
    34 | 17 | 2.00
    34 | 15 | 2.27
    50 | 21 | 2.38
    34 | 14 | 2.43
    50 | 19 | 2.63
    50 | 17 | 2.94
    50 | 15 | 3.33
    50 | 14 | 3.57
    50 | 13 | 3.85
    50 | 12 | 4.17

now there's a gear set I could live with!

ok, did I drive you guys crazy enough yet? :-p
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:36 AM   #25676
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so I decided to mash some ratios in sql, I dunno why, this came to me today.




ok, did I drive you guys crazy enough yet? :-p

this is some damn funny stuff first thing in the morning . Thanks for the chuckle Pierce



I went from 53/39 to compact 50/34 a couple months back and love it.

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Old 10-18-2012, 07:22 AM   #25677
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I'm comparing the Ruby Elite Apex Compact with the Roubiax Elite Apex Compact as they seem to be equivalent bikes.

naturally, the Ruby uses different size numbers (WTF?) but the "540.0" seems equivalent to the men's 54. There are distinct differences in the geometry.



these are... What - Roubaix / Ruby.... comparing that 54 to the 540.0.
  • Seattube - 495 / 456.5
  • Top Tube - 548 / 539
  • BB Drop - 71.5 / 73
  • Standover - 776 / 668
I ignored anything that's within a gnats ass of the same (73.5 vs 74 degree seat tube angle? hah!). I also ignored stuff like crank lengths (men's bike has longer cranks)

so yeah, I'd say that frame geometry has been tweaked. that or you just can't compare the sizes :-/
Basically, the Ruby is going to have the rider sitting a bit lower in the bike, via the BB drop and shorter ST length. And, the additional BB drop may not be such a good thing, with longer crank arms (not sure of what we're using, as he was looking at framesets).

If you believe the marketing for women-specific, all women are short and have longer legs and shorter torso than men. However, not all women are built that way.

I know "MrsSpout" is an accomplished cyclist. I figure as long as the TT and HT length are good, the rest can be adjusted, as she knows what feels right to her.

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Check out Pedalforce. They are carbon frames that are made in Taiwan. I have the CG2 frame which is a more relaxed geometry. I built it up with Campy Record and love the bike. There is is a group buy going on now and you can get the frame for $590.

The Pedal Force stuff looks nice. "Gummee!!" has mentioned them, in the past.

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this is some damn funny stuff first thing in the morning . Thanks for the chuckle Pierce
No kidding! How my head feels. VVV

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Been a member here for many years.Just found this thread and subscribed. I'll be 59 Nov. 1st. We moved to the Big Island of Hawaii last year and had bought a house here. The seller was moving back to the mainland so didn't want to ship all their stuff back. They threw everything into the deal. Furniture, dishes,riding lawn mower (one acre of property), and an inexpensive mountain bike.I have been working out in a gym since I was 49, so I'm in decent shape. Had a right knee injury that is better now, and have a left ankle problem that one doctor said is tendonitus.I recently started riding this 21 speed mountain bike. First rides were to my daughter's place to feed the animals and check on things. That was about 11 miles round. Next I rode to the Keaau Post Office to get our mail from the PO box. 13 miles. Then to Pahoa for my Saturday chess club. About 17 miles with a persistant headwind on the trip to Pahoa. I am working up to a run to Hilo which will be 25 miles round plus whatever running around I do in Hilo.
I am enjoying riding very much again and find myself coming up with any excuse for a ride. Lets see......burning no gas (which is more here than most mainland areas), helps me to stay in shape, FUN AS HELL...., our main highways here have generous shoulders to ride on that we share with the smaller mopeds and scooters.
The bike is a Wally World special. It's a "Next" Plush mountainbike with for and aft suspension. Made in 2005 and looks like brand new. Brakes and shifters workwell. Seat is a torture rack. Someone seems to have done a decent setup and adjust on this bike. I won't even consider getting a better bike till I show myself that I will stay with this. Picked up a water bottle mount for the handlebars (no frame mount), a compact tire pump, tire levers and a patch kit, two spare tubes, a multi tool with chain tool, and I think I'll order a set of Kenda K838 tires http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=ATVPDKIKX0DER and a helmet.
Welcome aboard!

If you hit 'shiny things' there's a few other threads about bicycles too. ...and one BIG one in JM entitled 'Dear Bicycle Riders.'

...do us mainlanders a favor, wouldya? Take pics of your rides so when its nasty, cold and miserable here we can remember what the sun looks like.

edited to add: if y'all are looking for inexpensive carbon frames, check out velobuild.com too. More group buys. Stay away from alibaba and deal directly with the bigger names that post to velobuild. LOTS of scams on alibaba.

As a note: Ritte's carbon road frame is a pedalforce with a neat paint job. Their carbon crosser is another Taiwanese or Chinese carbon with a paint job. My Full Tilt Boogie is essentially the same as November's carbon crosser (as well as an FM023 (IIRC. I looked it up once to get another frame and promptly lost it again))

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so I decided to mash some ratios in sql, I dunno why, this came to me today.

tables:
  • crankset: (i integer, f numeric);
  • cassette: (j integer, r numeric);

populate...
  • insert into crankset values (1,48),(1,38),(1,28);
  • insert into cassette values (1,11),(1,12),(1,14),(1,16),(1,18),(1,21),(1,26),( 1,32);
  • insert into cassette values (2,13),(2,14),(2,15),(2,17),(2,19),(2,21),(2,24),( 2,26);

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ok, did I drive you guys crazy enough yet? :-p
I'm not the only one that creates tables for this? Lol

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