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Old 02-01-2013, 05:28 AM   #27076
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The frame I'm looking at is a late 80s tange Cr-Mo d/butted hardtail made here [ie yep I know, nothing special] so I wonder what the weight penalty for a 61cm/24" CTT would be over an equivalent ~ 2005 welded aluminum hardtail frame?
Of the 2, get the newer AL frame. Geometry is going to be better all-round. The late 80s was still the time of the first gen or two of mtn bikes and the geometries weren't 'right.'

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Thanks - but welding? Isn't that why lugs (however unfashionable they are presently) have been around for so long - to provide a means of mechanically attaching very thin walled tubes to other such tubes?
There's several ways of joining tubes together: screwed and glued (Alan/Vitus), welded (TIG), Fillet Brazed, ...and lugs. With lugs you're limited to the sizes of tubes and the angles that the lugs were built for. IOW if you want a compact frame or frame with Max tubes, you need different lugs than a standard frame. That means different molds. Different castings. Different... well... everything. (read $$)

It took a while for TIG welding to catch on in the road world. Even today, the 'craftsmen' of the industry still use lugs, but they're building 'classically styled' bikes (Richard Sachs et al See Velocipede Salon's 'Friday Night Lights section) Gian was the leader in the compact road scene with the TCR from the ONCE team 'way back when.' Its been downhill ever since.

I still love the look and ride of the small-tubed steel bikes from my early years of riding. All those old Graham Watson coffee table books? However, being built like a gorilla, I fit better on compact frames. Go figure, huh?

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Old 02-01-2013, 05:29 AM   #27077
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Anybody know if this is being televised this weekend ? The world is coming to kentucky , wish I could be there with cowbell in hand.


I heart Marianne Vos
yeah.

Oh, and 'Hi! My name is Gummee! and I'm a wheel whore.' Picked up a D/A Open SUP CD Ceramic wheelset for $150 the other day for a set of dirt road knobbies. That brings me to:

Ritchey WCS Zetas
Ritchey Road Aero
571/2 Reflex Ceramics
571/2 A23s
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Hugi Matrix Photon
600/King* Escapes
D/A Open SUP Ceramics

...and misc front and rear wheels. Its gonna be a LONG time before I go 11sp!

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*the King is coming out and an Ultegra is going in for next cross season. Kings are going to be built into low-profile carbon rims for racing cross.
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Old 02-01-2013, 05:46 AM   #27078
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Thanks Gummee !!

I just moved three or four spare wheelsets into the shed from the house to appease the woman ...

only one of note being a set of aerospokes with a DA 9 speed cassette on the rear.
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Old 02-01-2013, 05:50 AM   #27079
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Thanks Gummee !!

I just moved three or four spare wheelsets into the shed from the house to appease the woman ...

only one of note being a set of aerospokes with a DA 9 speed cassette on the rear.
I didn't say anything about 'spare.' No such thing around here (at least the complete sets). They all see action at some point or another.

Intervals? Aero wheels
Sprints and JRA? Reflex Ceramics or A23s (32/32 'cause they're tougher)
Cross? tubulars
Dirt roads? Either the Hugis or the new D/A wheels

etc

The hard part is keeping cassettes on em all!

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Old 02-01-2013, 05:55 AM   #27080
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Old 02-01-2013, 06:07 AM   #27081
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Old 02-01-2013, 08:13 AM   #27082
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Two tires spring to mind:

Schwalbe Racing Ralph comes in a "2.4", but they're bigger than that labeling suggests. I use a pair of the 2.4s on my rigid Karate Monkey.

WTB WeirWolf LT comes in a nominal "2.55". I'm not sure it's actually that big, but it is a really fat tire; I've got one on the rear of my FS rig. (Don't confuse this with the non-LT WeirWolf; That's got a knobbier tread that doesn't sound like what you want.)

Both have relatively shallow, fast-rolling treads that I think would behave similarly to the small block.
Thanks for the suggestions! Looking really quick at what's available... neither of my usual "go to" mail order companies have them and I know for sure that none of my lbs' are gonna have them either.
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Old 02-01-2013, 08:54 AM   #27083
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Thanks for the suggestions! Looking really quick at what's available... neither of my usual "go to" mail order companies have them and I know for sure that none of my lbs' are gonna have them either.
I've read good things about the Maxxis Ardent 2.4, but don't have any personal experience with it.
http://www.cambriabike.com/Maxxis-Ar...Tire-Black.asp
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Old 02-01-2013, 09:03 AM   #27084
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Of the 2, get the newer AL frame. Geometry is going to be better all-round. The late 80s was still the time of the first gen or two of mtn bikes and the geometries weren't 'right.'
Ok, apologies if I didn't fill you in on a usage profile. I'm really only going to use it for riding around town so urban usage - no interest in cross country or downhill at all. Geometry? I always thought that that is catered for fully via changing the saddle or handlebar positions and if necessary, buying a new stem? What about the weight angle - has anyone any URLs or figures on typical weights for Fe vs Al frames?
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Old 02-01-2013, 09:09 AM   #27085
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I've read good things about the Maxxis Ardent 2.4, but don't have any personal experience with it.
http://www.cambriabike.com/Maxxis-Ar...Tire-Black.asp
The Ardent's a good tire, it just doesn't roll as well as I'd like.
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Old 02-01-2013, 09:11 AM   #27086
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And FWIW, steel is always going to be a winner in my book, especially Tange Prestige and OX Platinum.
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Old 02-01-2013, 09:12 AM   #27087
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Guess I need to go ahead with my "FATBIKING IS NOT A CRIME" sticker order.
Sounds very similar to when Burton was developing the snowboard back in the day and we would get banned from mountains for being out of control snowboarders.
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Old 02-01-2013, 09:37 AM   #27088
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The Ardent's a good tire, it just doesn't roll as well as I'd like.
If you want FAST and can go down to a high volume 2.2, I've been very impressed with the Panaracer Driver 29Pro. Lateral grip is excellent. I've only tried it on the rear so far (325+miles), but am loving it so much that I bought another. My review here:
http://www.mtbr.com/cat/tires-and-wh...6_1564crx.aspx

edit: Bought them from ebikestop.com for $40 and they ship quickly.
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Old 02-01-2013, 09:43 AM   #27089
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don't confuse Geometry with Fit.
Geometry refers to Head Tube Angle, Fork Rake/Trail, wheelbase; things that more affect handling.
what you were describing relates to fitting the bike to you.


as for weight; if you're only going to be riding it around town, the difference in materials weight shouldn't even be a significant consideration.

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Ok, apologies if I didn't fill you in on a usage profile. I'm really only going to use it for riding around town so urban usage - no interest in cross country or downhill at all. Geometry? I always thought that that is catered for fully via changing the saddle or handlebar positions and if necessary, buying a new stem? What about the weight angle - has anyone any URLs or figures on typical weights for Fe vs Al frames?
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:16 AM   #27090
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And FWIW, steel is always going to be a winner in my book, especially Tange Prestige and OX Platinum.
I'll agree with that.

I fought off the couch monster and rode on over to the bank. Massive headwind would be an understatement. ...but the tailwind getting back was worth it!

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