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Old 02-20-2013, 07:20 AM   #27316
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@BB: dood. There's at least one guy in this thread that started riding in the 70s, I started riding in the 80s.
70's? I started riding in 1968, so get lost n00b!
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Old 02-20-2013, 07:25 AM   #27317
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You've met me. I AM a douche*.

Tend to be a polite douche, but a douche nonetheless.

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*I prefer 'asshole' myself, but whatever works
Nah. You're a nice guy.
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Old 02-20-2013, 07:29 AM   #27318
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You've met me. I AM a douche*.

Tend to be a polite douche, but a douche nonetheless.

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*I prefer 'asshole' myself, but whatever works
You're not a douche, just sharing a bit of life experience. If people don't get it, that doesn't make you a prick, or your opinion offensive. Now if you don't mind I need leave...going to install Di2 on my Roadmaster.
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Old 02-20-2013, 08:18 AM   #27319
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I always thought the argument against department store bikes was safety - the welds, materials and geometry just aren't up to spirited riding, or touring for that matter.

I think Gummee knows his stuff, and he's trying to save the OP some cash and road rash - I don't see the harm in it?
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Old 02-20-2013, 08:38 AM   #27320
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You are correct, & throwing good money at one is not a decision I'd make.
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Old 02-20-2013, 08:39 AM   #27321
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On a different note.....

For those of us with a little wanderlust that needs to be satisfied by reading about others, check this out.

http://bunyanvelo.com/
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Old 02-20-2013, 08:39 AM   #27322
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*so* many things wrong here,... (starting with a Dept store MTB that has caliper brakes?)

but seriously; if the fork that's going on there is a Cannondale S1 carbon, isn't that a road fork that's going to have a different axle-to-crown race dimension than what the frame geometry was designed for?
i can't imagine that's going to handle any better than poo, due to the slacker head tube angle it's going to create.

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As for the cranks those are gone...BB conversion came in the mail, waiting on my sunlite cranks to show up... As for the carbon vs chromo fork? Why NOT? LOL I had an old scwinn worlds chro-mo, with the chro-mo fork...front tire moved alot more than i felt comfortable with.... And besides i got the fork for under $50 shipped....
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Old 02-20-2013, 08:51 AM   #27323
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*so* many things wrong here,... (starting with a Dept store MTB that has caliper brakes?)

but seriously; if the fork that's going on there is a Cannondale S1 carbon, isn't that a road fork that's going to have a different axle-to-crown race dimension than what the frame geometry was designed for?
i can't imagine that's going to handle any better than poo, due to the slacker head tube angle it's going to create.
The geo of the frame is a late 80s frame, and it sucked balls as anmtb frame because its the same frame they used for road bikes... The geo is very close to spot on with my brothers 2 yr old dawes, fork rake included... So even though it was sold as an mtb, its really not... Just cause i come across as a noob, doesnt mean i am... I may be younger than most, but i do know how to build a damned bike... I been building up frames for 12 yrs now... I even have built my own wheelsets...

Will this build be an optimum build? Hell no.... Its just a fun build so far, to prove folks wrong who say it cant be done or will ride like shit... If it does, i can swap 99% of the parts to a decent frame.... So no worries there i have made sure anything i get CAN be used on a modern frame... So far the only stuff that wont swap right over will be front derailleur and BB.... Everythi g else is all industry standard (and yes i can get a headset to run a 1" fork on a frame for 1 1/8th)

So... If yoi dont like what i am doing, so be it... I know its not perfect...i dont expect it to be perfect... Its not like i am trying to build a $3k race bike off of this frame...

I love how so many people cant think outside of the box for stuff like this... And as said if its a shitty bike when its done, i can swap it all over to a road frame...done...
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Old 02-20-2013, 08:51 AM   #27324
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Bill Burr on Lance...

http://thegoat.backcountry.com/2013/...ong-and-oprah/
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Old 02-20-2013, 08:53 AM   #27325
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I always thought the argument against department store bikes was safety - the welds, materials and geometry just aren't up to spirited riding, or touring for that matter.

I think Gummee knows his stuff, and he's trying to save the OP some cash and road rash - I don't see the harm in it?
Save me cash? How is spending hundreds on a frame saving me cash over using what i have? Some people just dont get it.....
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:01 AM   #27326
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:08 AM   #27327
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Nah. You're a nice guy.
Dammit! Stop that! You'll ruin my reputation!



If you'd inherited a 'Busa engine and told me you were going to stick it in your Connie, I'd tell you the same things I've told BB: I don't think its smart, its going to be a hack job at best, and you're better off starting with a 'Busa frame and hanging touring stuff off that than starting with a Connie frame and adding HP (can you say 'twist into a pretzel?!)

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Old 02-20-2013, 09:11 AM   #27328
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Save me cash? How is spending hundreds on a frame saving me cash over using what i have? Some people just dont get it.....
There's saving cash being cheap and saving cash being frugal. Right now, cheap is winning.

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Old 02-20-2013, 09:17 AM   #27329
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Save me cash? How is spending hundreds on a frame saving me cash over using what i have? Some people just dont get it.....

When the dept store frame snaps and get to pay even the smallest of ER bills, it will have paid off to spend the few hundred to buy a frame. But, like others said, it's your ride - do as you wish. Just know the advice given here is coming from some very experienced riders/mechanics.
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:30 AM   #27330
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Bogie,

it's not clear; do you understand the difference between fork rake and axle-to-crown race...?
if you're putting a road fork on a bike that was designed for the shorter fork that goes with a MTB wheel, you're going to be tipping the whole frame back, making for a slacker head tube angle and deader handling.

so, you're starting with a bike that admittedly sucked at what it was allegedly for, and spending money to make it, uh, suckier? if you're doing this just for the drill, that's great, but i don't know if this is something i'd want to trust my teeth with to start with.

not trying to get down on you, just trying to help point out the errors. while you may have been messing with bikes for a while, odds are there are a few people around here who made similar errors long before that, or better yet, learned from the people who went before us.

(12 years, eh? that's cute,... shucks, i'm not the most experienced person here, but one of the MTBs i've still got was more than 12 years old over 12 years ago,... and that was custom built for me to replace my first! )

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The geo of the frame is a late 80s frame, and it sucked balls as anmtb frame because its the same frame they used for road bikes... The geo is very close to spot on with my brothers 2 yr old dawes, fork rake included... So even though it was sold as an mtb, its really not... Just cause i come across as a noob, doesnt mean i am... I may be younger than most, but i do know how to build a damned bike... I been building up frames for 12 yrs now... I even have built my own wheelsets...

Will this build be an optimum build? Hell no.... Its just a fun build so far, to prove folks wrong who say it cant be done or will ride like shit... If it does, i can swap 99% of the parts to a decent frame.... So no worries there i have made sure anything i get CAN be used on a modern frame... So far the only stuff that wont swap right over will be front derailleur and BB.... Everythi g else is all industry standard (and yes i can get a headset to run a 1" fork on a frame for 1 1/8th)

So... If yoi dont like what i am doing, so be it... I know its not perfect...i dont expect it to be perfect... Its not like i am trying to build a $3k race bike off of this frame...

I love how so many people cant think outside of the box for stuff like this... And as said if its a shitty bike when its done, i can swap it all over to a road frame...done...
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