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Old 03-13-2013, 10:11 AM   #27811
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thanks Gummee - hope I'm not driving you nuts. For wheels am I looking for higher spoke count?

That Giant looks nice, but it's a drive for me... I'm up in central New England.
I'm willing to go look at it, you can pay the dood, and I'll box and ship (shipping on your dime) for ya.

Lots of 'cyclists' here in the DC area....

Spoke count: 36h in the back, min 32h in the front. 36/36 wheelsets are going cheap on ebay. Keep an eye out.

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Old 03-13-2013, 10:41 AM   #27812
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hi MF!

i'll second something Gummee alluded to; that's that the full-race top-o'-the-line stuff won't be your best bet for durability. the highest-end stuff is frequently built to try to maximize performance at a compromise in durabilty; the second-level stuff will often last longer.

that said, i'd encourage you to look at something like what Gummee pointed out for you already on Craigslist, and just ride it well. if something (most likely the wheels) prove to not be up to the task, find a good wheel-builder, and have some better wheels built. (the builder is the most important part!)
there are lots of things that can be done to help build an appropriate wheel for the non-flyweights amongst us (like slightly wider rims, off-center rims, hi-lo flanged hubs, double-butted spokes, lacing patterns, etc.), but wheel-building is worthy of a complete discussion on its own, and what is needed depends on who's using them where and how. (for example, i don't weigh much less than you do, and am over the recommended max weight for almost all my equipment, yet i've never had a problem with a wheel that wasn't ultimately my fault.)


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Thanks! How do you like that Giant TCX2 for an ogar? I admittedly don't know much about CX drivetrain/specs, but I love my LBS, who sells Giant.
I plan to upgrade the saddle and pedals with clipless, but other than that I'd prefer to just ride the thing.
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:46 AM   #27813
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Gummee - that's a hell of an offer, I truly appreciate the gesture. I'm going to look around a bit more though to get a better feel for what I'm looking for. The more I think of it the more I realize I'll mostly be riding dirt roads anyways, so I think a true cross bike would be my best bet.

Mud - suggestions noted, thank you. I'll keep an eye on that. The less flex under my fat ass, the better!

Zouch - Thanks for the help on this! My budget (up to about $1,500) will keep me away from the super high end stuff anyways, but I am going to pay close attention to wheels. Today or tomorrow I plan on seeing what my LBS will do regarding beefier wheels on that Giant. I like the idea of craigslist as well, but I would prefer to ride the bike before I sign up for it. My eyes are peeled. I (knock on wood) have also never really broken anything due to my weight, save for stripping out the rear hub on my Reign twice.

I'm excited for the new ride, I'm sick of running! Also should add that I'd probably rather buy new, to support my LBS and to have representation if I have warranty issues or the bike doesn't work out.
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:28 PM   #27814
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Wed night ride tonite. Got dark-ish as we were coming down Bull Run Mtn Rd.

Guess who didn't bring lights? Got em out. Battery is charged. Everything is good to go except that they got left here.

Last of the Wed dirt road rides till next fall/winter.


On one hand, I like the dirt roads. Lots. On the other, the dirt roads have more/bigger hills on em.

I can hammer on myself more on the road ride 'cause its flatter once we get over the big-ass hill known as Waterfall.

Ah well. Time change = times change.

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Old 03-14-2013, 07:03 AM   #27815
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Thanks! How do you like that Giant TCX2 for an ogar? I admittedly don't know much about CX drivetrain/specs, but I love my LBS, who sells Giant.
I plan to upgrade the saddle and pedals with clipless, but other than that I'd prefer to just ride the thing.
You need to test ride that TCX, against other CX bikes, especially steel ones. The TCX is definitely geared more toward competition, than all-arounder. It's definitely on the stiffer end of the ride spectrum.

I'm pretty sure I've mentioned the Kona Rove and Raleigh Roper, elsewhere. Don't forget about these guys, either. CX wheelsets are going to be stronger than the typical road wheelsets. You can run slicks on the 'cross wheelset; no need to buy another set of wheels. You want SRAM Apex or Shimano 105 minimum, for a drivetrain.
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:15 AM   #27816
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:35 AM   #27817
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You need to test ride that TCX, against other CX bikes, especially steel ones. The TCX is definitely geared more toward competition, than all-arounder. It's definitely on the stiffer end of the ride spectrum.

I'm pretty sure I've mentioned the Kona Rove and Raleigh Roper, elsewhere. Don't forget about these guys, either. CX wheelsets are going to be stronger than the typical road wheelsets. You can run slicks on the 'cross wheelset; no need to buy another set of wheels. You want SRAM Apex or Shimano 105 minimum, for a drivetrain.

Thanks for the continued help/tips! My issue with test riding is most bike shops don't have XL sized stuff in stock, but I plan to spend Saturday perusing a few places around here. Turns out, Giant does make the TCX1-it's sort of hidden in their site : http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-us/...1/11507/55856/

I'm thinking I would rather have disc brakes, though, and I'm looking into stock wheelsets more as well. For my weight, wouldn't I be better off on a stiff frame? Or is that not correct?
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:37 AM   #27818
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For that kind of frame pricetag, I'm thinking I'd rather have a Tiger 800.
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:39 AM   #27819
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For that kind of frame pricetag, I'm thinking I'd rather have a Tiger 800.
Me too. S'why I'm going to wait for a Chinese knockoff.

@Moodfart: that -1 is perfect. Rival is a good group. 2 of my 3 bikes have a mix of that and everything else SRAM makes.

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Old 03-14-2013, 07:49 AM   #27820
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Sweet! Little more than I'd like to spend, but I do ride often, and I've never regretted spending what I have for my mtb. I'm going to see what my shop says about it today. Like I said, I'd love to be able to throw a WTB saddle and a couple bottle cages on it and be ready to rock!
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:50 AM   #27821
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For my weight, wouldn't I be better off on a stiff frame? Or is that not correct?
There's a difference in a frame that pedals stiff and one that rides stiff. Downtube, lower seattube, chainstays, and their junction mostly contribute to the pedaling stiffness. The seatstays are mostly what contribute to the ride stiffness. Competition 'cross bikes are going to be stiff, in both qualities. Racers want every watt going into the drivetrain. They're willing to give up vertical compliance (ride quality) to get that. If you're not competitively racing, a more vertically compliant bike will be much more enjoyable to ride, day to day. Generally, large frame sizes are going to be built with stronger tubing, anyway. So, you don't necessarily have to give up a good ride to get a bike that'll handle your weight. For example, people rave about how nice a Surly LHT rides. Yet, that bike will easily handle 100lbs of gear on top of the rider's weight.

My MTB partner is 6'4" and ~250lbs and rides this. He's never mentioned anything about it being too flexy; only how good it rides.

On a side note, a Cervelo rep was telling me they cut the seatstays out of an R3 and rode it, to demonstrate the stiffness of their chainstays. That's part of the reason their seatstays can be so thin.
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:52 AM   #27822
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Sweet! Little more than I'd like to spend, but I do ride often, and I've never regretted spending what I have for my mtb. I'm going to see what my shop says about it today. Like I said, I'd love to be able to throw a WTB saddle and a couple bottle cages on it and be ready to rock!
One more warning: the saddle you ride off-road may not be the best bet on the road.

Different pressure points and more sitting and spinning.

I've got an SST-K on my mtn bike and Antares on all the road-based bikes.

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Old 03-14-2013, 10:41 AM   #27823
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One more warning: the saddle you ride off-road may not be the best bet on the road.

Different pressure points and more sitting and spinning.
True, but I did switch my WTB mtb saddle over to the Roubaix last May for my (once a year) century. I worked better than any of the road saddles I demoed. Thanks for the reminder, I gotta start demoing some more road saddles before the next 3 State Century in 7 weeks. Haven't been on a road bike since October.
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Old 03-14-2013, 11:30 AM   #27824
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Dammit!
Now, I want to haul my Roubaix back out here.

The composite design tech in bicycle frames is very cool. Having been involved in more than a few CF designs for other activities THIS stuff gets my motor running.

It seems like every time I go into my LBS Chris hands me a new lighter frame either road or mtb. Blows me away.

definitely need to tear down the Pinarello and get it out of the garage. make room for something else.
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Old 03-14-2013, 11:40 AM   #27825
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Disc Brakes

Here's an easy one for you riders with disc brakes. Are they a quantum leap forward in terms of effectiveness when compared to conventional caliper brakes. So good, in fact, that stoppies can be achieved??

Or not....
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