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Old 05-23-2013, 05:47 AM   #28816
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why the trend towards minimally spoked radially laced wheels on road bikes ?

What's the matter with cross laced 32 spokers ? Hard as hens teeth to find a wheelset that isn't radially laced 24 - 28 , 20 - 24 spoked wheelsets. I am not a huge dude at 5'10" 165-170lbs but prefer strong wheels.

Am I overly paranoid to not want a minimally spoked set ? We have some nice roads but also some chewed up hunks of mess. I don't want a set of wheels that needs trued every couple of rides.

What are you folks experiences/preferences for "training" wheelsets for the road ?
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Old 05-23-2013, 05:49 AM   #28817
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Hey everybody!

I'm not dead!

In fact, I'm putting on a race in a month:

http://www.sturgeon100.com. You should come. It will be good.

Off to pedaler's jamboree this weekend: http://www.pedalersjamboree.com/

Anybody going?


Seriously now: welcome back. Don't be a stranger!

I'm nowhere near you, or I'd be there.

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Old 05-23-2013, 05:57 AM   #28818
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why the trend towards minimally spoked radially laced wheels on road bikes ?

What's the matter with cross laced 32 spokers ? Hard as hens teeth to find a wheelset that isn't radially laced 24 - 28 , 20 - 24 spoked wheelsets. I am not a huge dude at 5'10" 165-170lbs but prefer strong wheels.

Am I overly paranoid to not want a minimally spoked set ? We have some nice roads but also some chewed up hunks of mess. I don't want a set of wheels that needs trued every couple of rides.

What are you folks experiences/preferences for "training" wheelsets for the road ?
See my ad in the flea market...

AFA minimally spoked wheels, they're typically lighter and somewhat faster. They're also more prone to catastrophic failures with parts that are harder to find in a timely fashion.

I train on 32/32 wheels. JRA? You'll find me on some 20-ish year old Reflex Ceramics and Mavic hubs. Sprints? Same wheelset. Intervals? Probably on one of my 'wheelsouttaboxes.;

I'll do the fast/group rides on some low-spoke-count wheels*. Last nite I was on my 20/24 wheelset. Coincidentally, that wheel hasn't seen a truing stand but once or twice since I've had em.

I know guys that train on wheelsouttaboxes. One that I'm thinking of off the top of my head has gone thru 2 sets of spokes in one wheelset, screwed another up in a freak crash, has managed to pinch flat a tubular, and has effed up the rim on yet another wheelset. ...in the 2 years he's been riding! In that same time frame, I've hit one hole hard enough to dent *a* rim on the 32/32 wheelsets I normally run.

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*low-spoke-count wheels aka pre-builts aka wheelsouttaboxes
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Old 05-23-2013, 06:08 AM   #28819
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Actually, SRAM have a 36T low gear, too. I put one on my GF's bike, which runs a mid-cage Apex RD.

Shimano have low-geared options, too. But, you have to run at least a mid-cage RD to do it, which means stepping down to 105(?).
Mid cage on a 36? Which one was that?
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Old 05-23-2013, 06:12 AM   #28820
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Build quality factors more into the strength of a wheel than spoke count does. Obviously all other things being equal, a higher spoke count means greater strength. I'd take a well built good quality 20/24 over a marginal quality 32. And at your size you can beat the hell out of a good 20/24 and get solid service out of it. Unless you are combat commuting, hitting potholes, jumping curbs etc.
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Old 05-23-2013, 06:25 AM   #28821
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It used to be mechanicals. Now its 'electricals.'



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Old 05-23-2013, 06:27 AM   #28822
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Build quality factors more into the strength of a wheel than spoke count does. Obviously all other things being equal, a higher spoke count means greater strength. I'd take a well built good quality 20/24 over a marginal quality 32. And at your size you can beat the hell out of a good 20/24 and get solid service out of it. Unless you are combat commuting, hitting potholes, jumping curbs etc.
I'll disagree with that second sentence. To a point. If you're beating on wheels, the 32/32 wheelset is going to go out of true less. It'll be easier to get back into true. ...and chances are everything's still going to last longer.

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Old 05-23-2013, 06:30 AM   #28823
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Off to pedaler's jamboree this weekend: http://www.pedalersjamboree.com/

Anybody going?
Didn't know about this. But, I'd rather ride the Katy in peace and quiet. We were to ride from home, down to the trail, across to KC, and take Amtrak back home, last year. But, life stepped into the way. Anyway, it's an amazing trail with a lot to do along the way.

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why the trend towards minimally spoked radially laced wheels on road bikes ?

What's the matter with cross laced 32 spokers ?

What are you folks experiences/preferences for "training" wheelsets for the road ?
It's kind of a "you get what you pay for" deal. I've got a set of Zipps that used to be everyday wheels. They're 18F/20R, they've never been touched, and are as true as the day I got them. There might be Zipp failures out there, but, I've never heard of one through the shop or online. Mavic? A different story.

You'll have to get out of the norm, if you want 32 spoke wheels. They're out there, but, rarely does anyone "upgrade" to a heavier wheelset, so most shops don't stock them. The shop I help out at has over 500 wheelsets in stock, with many 32 and 36 hole sets. This is their wheel page. Take a look around at what's commonly available.
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Old 05-23-2013, 06:31 AM   #28824
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I'll disagree with that second sentence. To a point. If you're beating on wheels, the 32/32 wheelset is going to go out of true less. It'll be easier to get back into true. ...and chances are everything's still going to last longer.

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I think you misread. We just agreed.
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Old 05-23-2013, 06:32 AM   #28825
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I think you misread. We just agreed.
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Old 05-23-2013, 07:02 AM   #28826
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thanks for the replys guys !
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Old 05-23-2013, 07:08 AM   #28827
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I think you misread. We just agreed.
Its Thursday and I feel like arguing.

Back 'in the day' I had buddies that would race on 35-spoke wheels. I've ridden on broken spokes for a while after breaking a spoke mid-ride. Tension the opposite spokes and keep going.

Try that on your low spoke count wheels!

I've had to re-lace my rear Ritchey Pro Aero wheel. Broke too many spokes. That's a 28-hole rear wheel!

I'm watching the uphill TT at the Giro. Ugh. That don't look like any kind of fun.

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Old 05-23-2013, 07:18 AM   #28828
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Last week I saw a record number of these on the trails: a total of 4. Add that number to the others I've seen in the last two years, and it brings the total to 6.



Are they so rare because they suck for general riding duty?
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Old 05-23-2013, 07:20 AM   #28829
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Last week I saw a record number of these on the trails: a total of 4. Add that number to the others I've seen in the last two years, and it brings the total to 6.



Are they so rare because they suck for general riding duty?
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Old 05-23-2013, 07:28 AM   #28830
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Last week I saw a record number of these on the trails: a total of 4. Add that number to the others I've seen in the last two years, and it brings the total to 6.

Are they so rare because they suck for general riding duty?
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I rode a Giant Trinity, as an everyday ride. My bullhorns were about the same comfort as brake hoods. I have to use aerobars, because of elbow/wrist issues. It just depends on your flexibility and stack height. A TT bike doesn't have to be set up slammed, in the frontend. In general, my Trinity was worth an increase of ~5mph at the same effort, over my road bike.

As posted before, coming off Mt Mansfield in VT.



My current ride still uses aerobars.
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