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Old 06-05-2013, 08:42 AM   #29206
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A: You're not helping your cause. Every time you defend what you've bought, you're adding fuel to the 'you're a Fred ' fire.
Maybe I didn't make myself clear. Affixing a label to someone else because they don't think like you do suggests that your emotional development stopped in grade school. Repeating the same behavior over and over only confirms that.

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Lay off the upgrades and try riding the bike for a while.
Tell you what, you post whatever you like as you always have. It may have no interest to me, but I've never suggested you do otherwise because of it. Perhaps you can do me the same courtesy.
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Old 06-05-2013, 08:43 AM   #29207
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Just tryin to help

In hindsight, a PM probably woulda been better. My apologies.

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Old 06-05-2013, 08:47 AM   #29208
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Insults? You are posting on a forum correct? When you choose to post something there's a chance someone will not agree with you. I'm generally respectful with my replies, I don't see an insult woven within my last post.

Look man, I'm glad you embrace cycling. I think you have a bit of a myopic outlook, that's all. There is more to cycling than numbers.
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:03 AM   #29209
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Insults? You are posting on a forum correct? When you choose to post something there's a chance someone will not agree with you. I'm generally respectful with my replies, I don't see an insult woven within my last post.
I see. So labeling someone a 'Fred' is intended as a compliment, then?

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Look man, I'm glad you embrace cycling. I think you have a bit of a myopic outlook, that's all. There is more to cycling than numbers.
I completely agree. There's also more to cycling than racing. Myopia indeed.
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:10 AM   #29210
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Life has conspired to keep me off the bike for the last nine days. For me, this is an intolerable situation. Since my hours have changed at work (start @ 0700 now rather than 0530), I've decided to get in some riding before heading into the office. Today was the trial run. I got up at my "old normal" 0400, kitted up, choked down a gel and managed to get in 17 mi. and change in about an hour. I'll play with the routes and my prep to get some more time/distance. This was done as kind of a lark, so I didn't have anything prepped or laid out and ended up rolling out around 0430. A little prior planning should get me another 20 min. in the saddle. This also gets me out of the heat of the day; it's supposed to be 112 here by Saturday.
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:13 AM   #29211
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Life has conspired to keep me off the bike for the last nine days. For me, this is an intolerable situation. Since my hours have changed at work (start @ 0700 now rather than 0530), I've decided to get in some riding before heading into the office. Today was the trial run. I got up at my "old normal" 0400, kitted up, choked down a gel and managed to get in 17 mi. and change in about an hour. I'll play with the routes and my prep to get some more time/distance. This was done as kind of a lark, so I didn't have anything prepped or laid out and ended up rolling out around 0430. A little prior planning should get me another 20 min. in the saddle. This also gets me out of the heat of the day; it's supposed to be 112 here by Saturday.
Can you commute? Easy way to get mileage in without interrupting your day.

...and trainer rides... While they suck out loud, they're a way to stay on the bike and fit during times of darkness and/or limited visibility.

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Old 06-05-2013, 09:20 AM   #29212
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This has nothing to do with racing, and clearly you're racing in some virtural world. I'm done with this, you may have the last word.
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:22 AM   #29213
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This has nothing to do with racing, and clearly you're racing in some virtural world. I'm done with this, you may have the last word.
One thing I've noticed over the years is new cyclists (and triathletes) think they can buy their way out of a fitness deficit.

Don't work.

Time, miles, intervals, and more time are the only things that can get you out of a fitness deficit.

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Old 06-05-2013, 09:24 AM   #29214
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Maybe I didn't make myself clear. Affixing a label to someone else because they don't think like you do suggests that your emotional development stopped in grade school. Repeating the same behavior over and over only confirms that.

Wait... Didn't you just label people who label people?












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Old 06-05-2013, 09:29 AM   #29215
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Damn Ridge! You and K7 need to get together and compare notes. 207mi? NOT km?!

Strava lawsuit dismissed

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I was wondering how that would turn out, but figured it would be dismissed. The plaintiffs' attorney's argument that Strava profits from KOMs primarily and from the social aspect secondarily, was pretty weak. That's like saying Facebook makes money from individual posts getting the most 'likes' rather than collecting data from the most users possible.
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:33 AM   #29216
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Life has conspired to keep me off the bike for the last nine days. For me, this is an intolerable situation. Since my hours have changed at work (start @ 0700 now rather than 0530), I've decided to get in some riding before heading into the office. Today was the trial run. I got up at my "old normal" 0400, kitted up, choked down a gel and managed to get in 17 mi. and change in about an hour. I'll play with the routes and my prep to get some more time/distance. This was done as kind of a lark, so I didn't have anything prepped or laid out and ended up rolling out around 0430. A little prior planning should get me another 20 min. in the saddle. This also gets me out of the heat of the day; it's supposed to be 112 here by Saturday.
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Can you commute? Easy way to get mileage in without interrupting your day.

...and trainer rides... While they suck out loud, they're a way to stay on the bike and fit during times of darkness and/or limited visibility.

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Nedster - I've been essentially doing the same. After my last event, I wasn't exactly thrilled with the results - the ride was harder than it should have been - so I had to make a decision: either Fred-up or start working a little harder.

Like you,the temps here are quickly climbing but man, the mornings are spectacular. It's light enough to ride at 0500 without lights but I still use front-and-rear LED simply for visibility to others. I can get in a good hour ride and leave enough time to grab a shower before leaving home for work.

Commuting, to Gummee's point, isn't a real good option since my wife and I carpool to downtown PHX together. Plus, there really isn't a good way to get downtown from where I live without having to ride through south Phoenix. Add the high afternoon temps and it makes complete sense to ride in the AM.

The only negative is that by 9 pm, I'm already sleepy but it's nice to fall asleep as soon as my head hits the pillow! So far, I'm really enjoying the workouts and with my Saturday rides, this will put me at about 100 miles a week. That's plenty to support my goals and perform at a level that satisfies them.
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:37 AM   #29217
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Can you commute? Easy way to get mileage in without interrupting your day.

...and trainer rides... While they suck out loud, they're a way to stay on the bike and fit during times of darkness and/or limited visibility.

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I do commute, but it's a short one; only 5.6 mi. RT. I tend to slack off a bit on this in the summer, the ride home wearing a cotton polo and slacks when it's 100+ out sucks and I just can't justify changing in/out of a kit for a 15 min. ride. (Excuses, I have a few. )

Good point on the trainer. I'll have to ask around and see if anyone has a fluid trainer or some rollers gathering dust someplace.
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:48 AM   #29218
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I do commute, but it's a short one; only 5.6 mi. RT. I tend to slack off a bit on this in the summer, the ride home wearing a cotton polo and slacks when it's 100+ out sucks and I just can't justify changing in/out of a kit for a 15 min. ride. (Excuses, I have a few. )

Good point on the trainer. I'll have to ask around and see if anyone has a fluid trainer or some rollers gathering dust someplace.
I've found that about an hour of commuting is perfect. Any more and you get very tired. Less and it isn't worth getting kitted up for. So... how bout getting kitted up and going for a ride on the way to work? IOW add a loop to the commute. BTDT

Blog post that's relevant to the previous discussion

@K7: how bout you ride in in the AM and she brings you back?

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Old 06-05-2013, 09:54 AM   #29219
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:55 AM   #29220
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I was wondering how that would turn out, but figured it would be dismissed. The plaintiffs' attorney's argument that Strava profits from KOMs primarily and from the social aspect secondarily, was pretty weak. That's like saying Facebook makes money from individual posts getting the most 'likes' rather than collecting data from the most users possible.
The real danger of chasing KOM's on Strava is that in many cases, the people who create these segments pay no attention to the potential danger they involve. For instance, there's a 2 mile sprint in my area that starts at the top of an overpass and goes right across busy driveways in a commercial zone. How many people have been t-boned at 30mph crossing those driveways? How many people have crashed while racing down the winding ramp at the bottom of the overpass? I recently asked a Cat 3 Crit racer who holds most of the KOM's on a nearby trail why his name is noticeably absent from one of the most popular segments. "It's just too dangerous," he said.
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