Can F1 Cars Get Any Uglier? - Page 3

HarveyMushman · 07-19-2006, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mattybag

SSB and Gregneedham have it right. This thread sounds like a bunch of old men that hate everything new, live in the past, and bitching is the only thing that keeps them breathing.

F1 racing is still beautiful and is simply amazing, even if there's some goofy concepts on the cars. It's the pinacle of auto racing. I would watch the real racing of F1 and Champcar before I'd waste my time watching the artificial racing/drafting on the Neck-car circuit

Two things: I'm not old, and using the words "real racing" in a sentence with "F1" is an affront to the English language.

wxwax · 07-19-2006, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by lurkueur

There seems to be a lot of that going around.

QED

grimel · 07-19-2006, 08:47 AM

I keep remembering F1 from the 70's through 90's. Then I turn on a modern F1, the out of control sewing machine engines and the rather ugly fins combine with lap after lap after lap of no passing follow the pole sitter around hope you get better pit stops gets boring and I change the channel. Except for the sewing machine engines it's like a NASCAR restrictor plate race.

The Gran-Am series (I think that's the one) with hoods that are propped up by the factor support arm, actual car bodies (even if they are seam welded), with BMW, M-B, Porsche, Ford, GM, etc racing actual cars available to the public with actual passing looks better every month. At least as far as watching cage closed track races. I still prefer watching cages race rallies and off road.

I likes any motorcycle racing.

To answer your question. Yes, they can get uglier. Let someone pick a fuscia, yellow, green, and blue paint scheme.

wxwax · 07-19-2006, 10:14 AM

I'm still down with the engine noise (trying to be hip with my lingo to convince the kids I'm cool.)

Motociclista · 07-19-2006, 10:26 AM

F1 it's complex you know ... aerodinamic deals with flow over and under the car ...

Fred

Gummee! · 07-19-2006, 10:51 AM

The start and first few laps of an F1 race are great. After that,

The tracks are safer, but make for lots more boring racing.

If your leader don't break the car, or screw up his pit strategy, guess what?! he's gonna win. How's that exciting?

Passing, wheel to wheel racing, and etc. all make for a better spectacle. Ultimately a spectacle is what sells advertising. Advertising $$ makes F1 go.

M

Ron_Ces · 07-19-2006, 10:51 AM

At least they are trying new designs. Nascar has that cookie-cutter thing going on. Being one to get into the high tech stuff, I like the wind tunnel testing, traction control, launch control, etc. I beats Cleatus and Cooter throwing a big holley on top of a Chevy small block... Oh yea, I also like that they turn right as well.
Ron

High Hope · 07-19-2006, 11:00 AM

The cars do look like shit, cobbled together with tiny aero aids that have been added one on top of the other until the car (and driver) can handle the speed potential. Its an unfortunate condition probably due to changing rules and huge costs in chassis design. The cars are evolving, if inelegantly.

I think that a new chassis will appear that renders the other teams obsolete, instantly. Perhaps not as radical as the Cooper/Lotus rear-engine revolution, but similar in effect. Every team will join the bandwagon, because the cleaner design will be faster (and, as a bonus, better looking too.)

Warplanes are a great example of design and function, and few warplanes (except specialized, and slower planes such as Warthogs) are ugly in the way that BMW is ugly.

HarveyMushman · 07-19-2006, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by High Hope

I think that a new chassis will appear that renders the other teams obsolete, instantly. Perhaps not as radical as the Cooper/Lotus rear-engine revolution, but similar in effect. Every team will join the bandwagon, because the cleaner design will be faster (and, as a bonus, better looking too.)

Nah. The rulebook doesn't allow for innovation.

grimel · 07-19-2006, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by HarveyMushman

Nah. The rulebook doesn't allow for innovation.

Are we talking NASCAR now?

HarveyMushman · 07-19-2006, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by grimel

Are we talking NASCAR now?

Have a look at the F1 grid, man.

I don't see a wide variety of approaches out there. The rulebook fairly well designs the car for them.

High Hope · 07-19-2006, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HarveyMushman

Have a look at the F1 grid, man.

I don't see a wide variety of approaches out there. The rulebook fairly well designs the car for them.

Mushroom, you might be right, I don't follow F1 that closely cause it seems so...tedious. But, I hope you're wrong. Rules, and poorly written, highly restrictive rules at that, often lead to divine inspiration as designers find ingenious (and complicated) ways to bend them. Also, a better design is not necessarily a more expensive design, and if access to the better approach is widely available, F1 may just go with it. Anyway, I hope I'm right (see my avatar?) and you're wrong just for the sake of it.

ilmostro · 07-19-2006, 02:09 PM

Gilles is my homeboy.

gregneedham · 07-19-2006, 02:14 PM

Gotta admit, that's a clean looking race machine.....

Jeffy · 07-19-2006, 03:01 PM

And people thought this was the most radical F1 car ever...

07-19-2006, 08:47 AM	#33
grimel Fatman on a roll Joined: Jan 2006 Location: Atomic City Oddometer: 810	I keep remembering F1 from the 70's through 90's. Then I turn on a modern F1, the out of control sewing machine engines and the rather ugly fins combine with lap after lap after lap of no passing follow the pole sitter around hope you get better pit stops gets boring and I change the channel. Except for the sewing machine engines it's like a NASCAR restrictor plate race. The Gran-Am series (I think that's the one) with hoods that are propped up by the factor support arm, actual car bodies (even if they are seam welded), with BMW, M-B, Porsche, Ford, GM, etc racing actual cars available to the public with actual passing looks better every month. At least as far as watching cage closed track races. I still prefer watching cages race rallies and off road. I likes any motorcycle racing. To answer your question. Yes, they can get uglier. Let someone pick a fuscia, yellow, green, and blue paint scheme. __________________ When all else fails, read the directions. 1985 V65 Magna

07-19-2006, 10:14 AM	#34
wxwax ^OP Excited Member Joined: Jul 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Oddometer: 63,681	I'm still down with the engine noise (trying to be hip with my lingo to convince the kids I'm cool.) __________________ Sid. It has been said that man is a rational animal. All my life I have been searching for evidence which could support this. -- Bertrand Russell To make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe. -- Carl Sagan

07-19-2006, 10:26 AM	#35
Motociclista . Joined: Jul 2005 Location: NJ Oddometer: 12,053	F1 it's complex you know ... aerodinamic deals with flow over and under the car ... Fred __________________ bingo bongo nel culo te lo pongo!

07-19-2006, 10:51 AM	#36
Gummee! That's MR. Toothless Joined: May 2004 Location: NoVA for now... Oddometer: 25,543	The start and first few laps of an F1 race are great. After that, The tracks are safer, but make for lots more boring racing. If your leader don't break the car, or screw up his pit strategy, guess what?! he's gonna win. How's that exciting? Passing, wheel to wheel racing, and etc. all make for a better spectacle. Ultimately a spectacle is what sells advertising. Advertising $$ makes F1 go. M __________________ There. I've moved back to VA. Can you PLEASE change the weather?!

07-19-2006, 10:51 AM	#37
Ron_Ces Aging Hacker Joined: May 2005 Location: Sunny Riverton, NJ Oddometer: 1,486	I like the cars! At least they are trying new designs. Nascar has that cookie-cutter thing going on. Being one to get into the high tech stuff, I like the wind tunnel testing, traction control, launch control, etc. I beats Cleatus and Cooter throwing a big holley on top of a Chevy small block... Oh yea, I also like that they turn right as well. Ron __________________ Ride whatever makes you smile! Every bike has it's own issues, problems and annoyances... BMW R1150GS ADV KTM 300 EXC (plated)

07-19-2006, 11:00 AM	#38
High Hope World's Best Dog Joined: Aug 2005 Location: New England, thinking of the Caymans. Oddometer: 5,670	The cars do look like shit, cobbled together with tiny aero aids that have been added one on top of the other until the car (and driver) can handle the speed potential. Its an unfortunate condition probably due to changing rules and huge costs in chassis design. The cars are evolving, if inelegantly. I think that a new chassis will appear that renders the other teams obsolete, instantly. Perhaps not as radical as the Cooper/Lotus rear-engine revolution, but similar in effect. Every team will join the bandwagon, because the cleaner design will be faster (and, as a bonus, better looking too.) Warplanes are a great example of design and function, and few warplanes (except specialized, and slower planes such as Warthogs) are ugly in the way that BMW is ugly. __________________ Chris Looks like the dingbat army is behaving exactly as expected. tkpinsc

07-19-2006, 02:09 PM	#43
ilmostro Under Da Sea Joined: Mar 2003 Location: Atlanta, GA Oddometer: 29,235	Gilles is my homeboy. __________________ I've got stay the fuck out of it written on a stone tablet in my bedroom. - Con Stapleton

07-19-2006, 02:14 PM	#44
gregneedham I seem to fall often Joined: Dec 2005 Location: Austin, Texas Oddometer: 846	Gotta admit, that's a clean looking race machine..... __________________ 2002 KTM 640 Adventure 2000 BMW R 1150 GS (sold) 1982 BMW R100RT (sold) My 640 Adventure blog My 1150 GS blog (retired) Memphis to Moab - TAT 09 Blog designkeywest.com

07-19-2006, 03:01 PM	#45
Jeffy Hmm... Joined: Feb 2006 Location: SF - East Bay Oddometer: 4,080	And people thought this was the most radical F1 car ever... __________________ "I'm going to shift gears now.... This will involve man touching." - Jeremy Clarkson

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