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Old 06-07-2012, 08:53 AM   #23536
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Ordered the JD surge x 6 tuner the other day for the 610. I know there is detailed documentation on this for the 630, but anyone got the scoop on the setting used on the 610 in PU mode w/ LV X 3 slipon and airbox opened up a bit. I know it's not as nessisary for the 610 as it is for the 630, but I'm looking forward to a richer running bike and the ability to give it a boost of fuel in certain rpm stages. I'm told that I will see improvement in response when lugging to wacking WOT. I'm doing this a lot in the woods. 2nd gear in tight turn low speed then WOT. It's good now, but I'm heavy and feel a bit more fuel at that moment will make for a crisper exit. What says you??? Thanks.


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Old 06-07-2012, 09:20 AM   #23537
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Started the teardown

Well I started the teardown today as I am waiting on my parts to show up. I thought I would check the woodruff key on the counterbalancer while I was in there. The shifting of the bike has been really stiff and hard to get in neutral.

Here are a few pics (crappy cell phone)





Verifying timing marks




Now I am waiting for my boys to wake up before I take the impact gun to her.

To be continued....
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Old 06-07-2012, 09:51 AM   #23538
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Well I started the teardown today as I am waiting on my parts to show up. I thought I would check the woodruff key on the counterbalancer while I was in there. The shifting of the bike has been really stiff and hard to get in neutral.

Here are a few pics (crappy cell phone)
Verifying timing marks
Now I am waiting for my boys to wake up before I take the impact gun to her.
To be continued....
I wish my phone took that quality of photo!
To fix the shifting all you need to do is adjust the clutch free play, its that screw and lock nut in the middle of the clutch hub.
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Old 06-07-2012, 09:55 AM   #23539
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I've reinstalled mine several times and never had to do anything like this??? Yes, return the tensioner to full in position, mount to cylinder head, insert spring and cap bolt, but to " removing phillips head cover screw to access plunger screw head " is news to me. Are you talking about the 610 or the 630? As soon as the spring puts any pressure on the mechanism you can feel and hear it advance.


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This is a 610 thread isn't it?
You have a different style tensioner than me.
Here's mine:
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Old 06-07-2012, 10:11 AM   #23540
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I wish my phone took that quality of photo!
To fix the shifting all you need to do is adjust the clutch free play, its that screw and lock nut in the middle of the clutch hub.
I was going to try that also, but I read on another thread that someone had the same symptoms as me and their key was sheared. I figured since I am doing a timing chain and head gasket, I might as well check the key while im in there.

Thanks for the heads up though. I might just have to adjust it while im putting it back together.

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Old 06-07-2012, 10:54 AM   #23541
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To fix the shifting all you need to do is adjust the clutch free play, its that screw and lock nut in the middle of the clutch hub.

Not in my experience, it was always a worn basket bushing.


Mgizler, put the basket back on with the center hub and tighten the nut up, check for wobble, grab the basket at 3 and 9, push/pull, if it rocks back and forth the bushing that I see left on the shaft is worn out.
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Old 06-07-2012, 11:02 AM   #23542
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All this talk about cam chain wear got to me. I just went out and checked mine: 6500 miles, 7 clicks. How worried should a person in my situation be if they were planning to do the CDT next month?

Also, that spring gets wiggly when you try to reinsert it into the tensioner housing, right? You just have to be careful not to bend/crimp it?

Depends, you riding from home? CDT is what, 2500 miles by itself? I'd over maintain that thing if it was mine, left side screens, right side screen and clutch bushing, top end roller tips/cam followers, check the rocker bushings, replace the cam bearings and most definitely replace the rear wheel bearings plus carry another set.
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Old 06-07-2012, 11:22 AM   #23543
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Thanks larryboy. Ill check that when I am reinstalling the clutch.

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Not in my experience, it was always a worn basket bushing.


Mgizler, put the basket back on with the center hub and tighten the nut up, check for wobble, grab the basket at 3 and 9, push/pull, if it rocks back and forth the bushing that I see left on the shaft is worn out.
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Old 06-07-2012, 11:50 AM   #23544
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This is a 610 thread isn't it?
You have a different style tensioner than me.
Here's mine:
Yes, I guess I do. I remove the spring retaining bolt and spring, remove for cylinder, check " clicks ", hold the lock/lever and slid tensioner back to base, reinstall to cylinder, reinstall spring and spring retaining bolt.


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Old 06-07-2012, 12:29 PM   #23545
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Just put the JD tuner on the 610 and all I can say is wow! It's made a big difference. The whole rpm range is so much crisper! The red/blue setting which acts like an accelerator pump has this thing chomping at the bit to GO! Any where in rpm range in 2nd gear I whack it and get instant response and front wheel jumps off the ground! I'm very happy with the unit!


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Old 06-07-2012, 03:35 PM   #23546
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Just put the JD tuner on the 610 and all I can say is wow! It's made a big difference. The whole rpm range is so much crisper! The red/blue setting which acts like an accelerator pump has this thing chomping at the bit to GO! Any where in rpm range in 2nd gear I whack it and get instant response and front wheel jumps off the ground! I'm very happy with the unit!


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Carefull on longer rides, your milage is going to drop. Caught me out when I started adding performance :]
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:46 PM   #23547
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I see in his sig that fritzco's is an 00.

Did the older bikes have a 'problem' with cam chains as well?
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Old 06-07-2012, 10:57 PM   #23548
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All this talk about cam chain wear got to me. I just went out and checked mine: 6500 miles, 7 clicks. How worried should a person in my situation be if they were planning to do the CDT next month?
With new chain it can be 3-5 clicks, 7 clicks is just getting seated in. I think they go to 14. My first chain wen't 13k but changed way too soon, 2nd one has 15k still fine.
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:25 AM   #23549
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Carefull on longer rides, your milage is going to drop. Caught me out when I started adding performance :]
Would you share your settings with me? What mods do you have?


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Old 06-08-2012, 05:44 AM   #23550
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With new chain it can be 3-5 clicks, 7 clicks is just getting seated in. I think they go to 14. My first chain wen't 13k but changed way too soon, 2nd one has 15k still fine.
Pulled mine a few days ago - counted 16 grooves in total including the first (was at 5-6 clicks).
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