New and improved KTM690 WUNDERFEST

crankshaft · 09-06-2011, 06:30 PM

Well, everyone likes a fresh start, so I figured I should kick the new thread off since our old one vanished like the T-Rex

Ok, I was meaning to answer another fellow 690 owners question about weather I was giving up on the 690 and going to the roundel.

I picked up a clean used 2007 BMW G650X for my dual sport hack project, so the wife and I can enjoy some trail riding together. My legs are too long for us to both fit on anything smaller than a Goldwing. I have not given up on the 690 and I think I might have discovered the issue....

I think it's a bad fuel pump and after some deep thinking, it makes sense to me. The pump has probably been marginal since the day I bought it and has gotten progressively worse as I've ridden it. After removing the return line to the pump housing, it seems to have aggravated the issue and the pump has suffered. I do think the pump has been over heating and boiling the fuel, which creates a vapor lock situation.

I've got another pump that I'm working on stuffing in the OEM holder, so with luck I might be able to test it tomorrow if I can get out of work at a decent time. After an hour in the fumes, I had to run into the house and sit down

Dirtjack, you're correct about getting the correct fuel line for inside the tank, the hose has started to soften and break down.

Tarheel Wheeler · 09-06-2011, 09:10 PM

What the heck happened to the 690 megathread??????

So all that great 690 info has vanished? Can't the mods go back in time and restore it?

Glad to hear that you got the problem licked Cranky.

That hack should be a ton of fun.

andykeck · 09-06-2011, 09:12 PM

I've got some questions for the Vortex owners here...

I've spent quite a bit of time screwing around with my '08 SMC. You know, trying different maps, playing with the F-L switch in TuneECU, replacing the fuel filter and cleaning the injector, adjusting the throttle sensors, all the standard stuff. The result is that my bike always starts easily, idles well, and pulls cleanly through the rev range with good power. No complaints there.

But whatever I do, I still can't get rid of that on-off lurch at low throttle openings. Drives me crazy during my commute as there's a good section of moderately heavy surface street traffic moving about 25 mph. It's very hard to be smooth. I get a lesser version of the same issue in third and fourth steady-state cruise. I can't get rid of it.

So my question is this: with all the other benefits of the Vortex I read about in the now vanished thread, does it fix _my_ problem? More power, quicker response, all that's great, I just want to be able to ride smoothly in traffic and slow dirt sections.

Albie · 09-06-2011, 09:13 PM

While I don't doubt that the fuel pump is probably the culprit, I'm just not so sure about all this overheating stuff. I mean I run my tank bone dry all the time, even ran out a couple times. The first pump failed at around 12K if I remember correctly and it failed because of the crappy brush wiring, not from over heating, not from clogging up, just a shitty design. The current pump has around 8K miles on it and it's running fine. I still have a wonky FI system, but I've been living with that both before and after changing pumps. I hear people talk about car fuel pumps having issue from running tanks dry on them as well, but the only fuel pump failure I've ever had was a mechanical one on a mid 70's Chevy P/U.

Bill the Bong · 09-06-2011, 10:03 PM

At least I'm on the 1st page of the new mega threat!

Barman · 09-06-2011, 10:49 PM

Love the new name.
I'm in.

Night Falcon · 09-06-2011, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill the Bong

At least I'm on the 1st page of the new mega threat!

.....I got the first 690 on a beach next to an upside down car wreck on beach photo covered

grimripper · 09-06-2011, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Albie

While I don't doubt that the fuel pump is probably the culprit, I'm just not so sure about all this overheating stuff. I mean I run my tank bone dry all the time, even ran out a couple times. .

22,000km and the tanks been run dry 1/2 a dozen times without a problem.
So far.

2010 model.

.chris · 09-07-2011, 03:08 AM

I will claim the dirtiest 690 on the frontpage.

Johnnyboxer · 09-07-2011, 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crankshaft

Well, everyone likes a fresh start, so I figured I should kick the new thread off since our old one vanished like the T-Rex

Ok, I was meaning to answer another fellow 690 owners question about weather I was giving up on the 690 and going to the roundel.

I picked up a clean used 2007 BMW G650X for my dual sport hack project, so the wife and I can enjoy some trail riding together. My legs are too long for us to both fit on anything smaller than a Goldwing. I have not given up on the 690 and I think I might have discovered the issue....

I think it's a bad fuel pump and after some deep thinking, it makes sense to me. The pump has probably been marginal since the day I bought it and has gotten progressively worse as I've ridden it. After removing the return line to the pump housing, it seems to have aggravated the issue and the pump has suffered. I do think the pump has been over heating and boiling the fuel, which creates a vapor lock situation.

I've got another pump that I'm working on stuffing in the OEM holder, so with luck I might be able to test it tomorrow if I can get out of work at a decent time. After an hour in the fumes, I had to run into the house and sit down

Dirtjack, you're correct about getting the correct fuel line for inside the tank, the hose has started to soften and break down.

So....................the $6,000,000 question, will the G650X be any better

I'm thinking about a 690R and selling the XChallenge

Whilst the chassis and suspension maybe inferior on the BMW, the motor & FI are sweeet

GB · 09-07-2011, 05:37 AM

Maybe someone wants to update this 690 reference thread:

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=365940

SidewinderX · 09-07-2011, 05:49 AM

Glad to hear you got it licked Crank.

I hope to get mine retuned soon with Tune-ECU....

Gordy · 09-07-2011, 06:00 AM

Ha ha, found you guys!

Albie · 09-07-2011, 06:09 AM

OK, if you don't want this thread to become completely unmanageable, like the megathread, you guys need to post things like your pose pics in the 690 pic thread, not here.

Vector Leto · 09-07-2011, 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gadget Boy

Maybe someone wants to update this 690 reference thread:

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=365940

+1

Motobrant started that thread. You can't place additional links in his original thread, which kinda defeats the purpose. I asked Motobrant about updating his post, but he didn't respond. His last activity on this site was back in June. So, we could use the useful links Motobrant posted in a new thread/post that is updated more frequently and perhaps have more consistent stewardship of that thread. I started the New KTM 690 Thread Index.

Gadget Boy, it sure would be nice to have access to the megathread. What's the status?

09-06-2011, 06:30 PM	#1
crankshaft ^OP Guns are for pussies Joined: Aug 2004 Location: Burlingtron,VT Oddometer: 13,783	New and improved KTM690 WUNDERFEST Well, everyone likes a fresh start, so I figured I should kick the new thread off since our old one vanished like the T-Rex Ok, I was meaning to answer another fellow 690 owners question about weather I was giving up on the 690 and going to the roundel. I picked up a clean used 2007 BMW G650X for my dual sport hack project, so the wife and I can enjoy some trail riding together. My legs are too long for us to both fit on anything smaller than a Goldwing. I have not given up on the 690 and I think I might have discovered the issue.... I think it's a bad fuel pump and after some deep thinking, it makes sense to me. The pump has probably been marginal since the day I bought it and has gotten progressively worse as I've ridden it. After removing the return line to the pump housing, it seems to have aggravated the issue and the pump has suffered. I do think the pump has been over heating and boiling the fuel, which creates a vapor lock situation. I've got another pump that I'm working on stuffing in the OEM holder, so with luck I might be able to test it tomorrow if I can get out of work at a decent time. After an hour in the fumes, I had to run into the house and sit down Dirtjack, you're correct about getting the correct fuel line for inside the tank, the hose has started to soften and break down. __________________ Just say'IN

09-06-2011, 09:10 PM	#2
Tarheel Wheeler Around Joined: Oct 2003 Location: A53, NC Oddometer: 3,354	What the heck happened to the 690 megathread?????? So all that great 690 info has vanished? Can't the mods go back in time and restore it? Glad to hear that you got the problem licked Cranky. That hack should be a ton of fun. __________________ Adversity is the state in which man most easily becomes acquainted with himself, being especially free of admirers then. John Wooden "Get to riding or get to dying"...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_T41kJm-PE

09-06-2011, 10:03 PM	#5
Bill the Bong Supern00ba Joined: Dec 2006 Location: Kanoneiland South Africa Oddometer: 518	At least I'm on the 1st page of the new mega threat! __________________ KTM 690 R - "Its just a little crush..."

09-06-2011, 10:49 PM	#6
Barman Way Offline Joined: Apr 2011 Location: Saratoga Springs, NY Oddometer: 1,162	Wunderfest! Love the new name. I'm in. __________________ I am at one with my duality.

09-07-2011, 03:08 AM	#9
.chris 690 Advenduro Joined: Feb 2009 Location: Auckland, NZ Oddometer: 51	I will claim the dirtiest 690 on the frontpage. __________________ I am interested in the future, because it's where I am going to live

09-06-2011, 09:12 PM	#3
andykeck Adventurer Joined: Mar 2011 Location: Seattle, WA Oddometer: 79	I've got some questions for the Vortex owners here... I've spent quite a bit of time screwing around with my '08 SMC. You know, trying different maps, playing with the F-L switch in TuneECU, replacing the fuel filter and cleaning the injector, adjusting the throttle sensors, all the standard stuff. The result is that my bike always starts easily, idles well, and pulls cleanly through the rev range with good power. No complaints there. But whatever I do, I still can't get rid of that on-off lurch at low throttle openings. Drives me crazy during my commute as there's a good section of moderately heavy surface street traffic moving about 25 mph. It's very hard to be smooth. I get a lesser version of the same issue in third and fourth steady-state cruise. I can't get rid of it. So my question is this: with all the other benefits of the Vortex I read about in the now vanished thread, does it fix _my_ problem? More power, quicker response, all that's great, I just want to be able to ride smoothly in traffic and slow dirt sections.

09-06-2011, 09:13 PM	#4
Albie Kool Aid poisoner Joined: Mar 2004 Location: NWA Oddometer: 4,827	While I don't doubt that the fuel pump is probably the culprit, I'm just not so sure about all this overheating stuff. I mean I run my tank bone dry all the time, even ran out a couple times. The first pump failed at around 12K if I remember correctly and it failed because of the crappy brush wiring, not from over heating, not from clogging up, just a shitty design. The current pump has around 8K miles on it and it's running fine. I still have a wonky FI system, but I've been living with that both before and after changing pumps. I hear people talk about car fuel pumps having issue from running tanks dry on them as well, but the only fuel pump failure I've ever had was a mechanical one on a mid 70's Chevy P/U.

09-07-2011, 05:37 AM	#11
GB Mod Squad Joined: Aug 2002 Location: Toronto, ON Oddometer: 53,461	Maybe someone wants to update this 690 reference thread: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=365940 __________________ ADV decals, patches & flag? Here

09-07-2011, 05:49 AM	#12
SidewinderX Hey, watch this! Joined: Nov 2009 Location: NW North Carolina Oddometer: 891	Glad to hear you got it licked Crank. I hope to get mine retuned soon with Tune-ECU.... __________________ Daniel What would you attempt to do in life if you knew that you could not fail?

09-07-2011, 06:00 AM	#13
Gordy Team Listo Joined: Dec 2001 Location: NM Oddometer: 18,300	Ha ha, found you guys!

09-07-2011, 06:09 AM	#14
Albie Kool Aid poisoner Joined: Mar 2004 Location: NWA Oddometer: 4,827	OK, if you don't want this thread to become completely unmanageable, like the megathread, you guys need to post things like your pose pics in the 690 pic thread, not here.

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