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Old 12-21-2010, 03:33 AM   #4951
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have you seen stock signals ..cause i tried ebay first.
There is an Italian vendor has put stock indicators up a few times in the last few months. I am pretty sure they get passed in each time. Not there right now though
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Old 12-21-2010, 03:47 AM   #4952
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X Challenge won't start...

Quick question to see if anyone can offer any wisdom as to why my 2008 X Challenge won't start.

I drained the battery by leaving an accessory outlet and the GPS it was powering on. After successfully re-charging I put the battery back in and the dash lit up like it should (all the lights on, the rear wheel diameter came up etc..) and then..... nothing. All goes blank and no chance of ignition.

Wondering if there is a simple fix or I am missing something. I checked all fuses (I could find) and all are OK.

I have it booked in to get checked out in about a week but wouldn't mind saving the trip if it can be fixed simply.

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Old 12-21-2010, 04:01 AM   #4953
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Same happened to me. New battery and started first go. Must drop a cell or something.
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Old 12-21-2010, 04:04 AM   #4954
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Same happened to me. New battery and started first go. Must drop a cell or something.
Could be? I metered the battery prior to putting it back in and was reading about 13V.
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Old 12-21-2010, 04:23 AM   #4955
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Mine did too but under drain with ignition turned on it dropped below what the bike requires to do anything. Sorry, can't help more than that as I had another battery to try straight away and off it went. Is yours a GM type battery?
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Old 12-21-2010, 05:06 AM   #4956
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Yeah, my understanding has always been that the G series was assembled in Italy. The engnes were by Rotax but in 09 switched to a Chinese mfgr. I know, from having many part off the bike, that "Aprilia" is stamped on just about everything.

I did read recently that BMW was moving some assembly of the small models to Berlin but, again, I think the engines will continue to be made in China.

I've made a LOT of mods to mine and hope to post a narrative and pics soon.
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Old 12-21-2010, 02:12 PM   #4957
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My understanding is only the Country is now made in China, the others are out of production. The 07 bikes were built by Aprilia but to a better standard than they build their own (they work). There has been battery issues on these bikes, they were subject to a recall in the UK. There is now an Odyssey battery that will fit. I did that upgrade on another BMW and although it's not cheap it does mean peace of mind as it won't go wrong again.
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Old 12-22-2010, 12:54 AM   #4958
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Yeah, my understanding has always been that the G series was assembled in Italy. The engnes were by Rotax but in 09 switched to a Chinese mfgr. I know, from having many part off the bike, that "Aprilia" is stamped on just about everything.

I did read recently that BMW was moving some assembly of the small models to Berlin but, again, I think the engines will continue to be made in China.

I've made a LOT of mods to mine and hope to post a narrative and pics soon.
Parts having "Aprilia" stamped on them, does not mean the bike was assembled by Aprilia in Italy or anywhere else, right? Those are just parts!?

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My understanding is only the Country is now made in China, the others are out of production. The 07 bikes were built by Aprilia but to a better standard than they build their own (they work). There has been battery issues on these bikes, they were subject to a recall in the UK. There is now an Odyssey battery that will fit. I did that upgrade on another BMW and although it's not cheap it does mean peace of mind as it won't go wrong again.
I assume you mean the assembly of the entire XCountry bike is now in China (and you not just talking about the motor). That is not what I understand, and also, it is out of production too, right? So I'm not sure what you mean??

Here is a BMW .de website that shows the VIN fields. I'M ASSUMING THIS IS ACCURATE:
http://www.bmwarchiv.de/vin/

Field or "point" 11 on my bike is an X, which means it was *assembled* in Berlin, NO? My other VIN fields tell me it was made in 12/06. This is the only data point I have...

Back to my point, I'm guessing that all XChallenges also made in 12/06 were made in Berlin. If so I'm assuming they used swingarms from the same lot. Just sayin'.

So enter your bike last 7 digits into the VIN checker above and see what it says. Or just look at the table on that webpage and look at the letter in "point" 11 from this chart below.

The "point" is the digit starting with point 1 being the first one, on the left. The formatting and spacing is hard to copy so here is my attempt:
Here is an example VIN (NOT an X bike, just generic):

Sample VIN: WBA...VB71...0...7...0...V...A36703
Point..........: 1-3......4-7....8...9..10..11..12-17

1-3. Point

World Manufacturer Identifier (WMI) to ISO 3780:
BMW AG Munich - WBA
BMW Motorsport GmbH Munich - WBS
BMW BMW Motorcycles - WB1
BMW U.S. market PC - 4US
U.S. PC market BMW Motorsport GmbH - 5IN ORDER
BMW U.S. PC market MPV - 5UX
BMW AG Plant Oxford (Mini) - WMW
BMW Rolls Royce Hireus - SA9
BMW Rolls Royce Goodwood - SCA
BMW CKD Mexico - 3AV
BMW Avtotor CKD, Kaliningrad - X4X
BMW CKD Thailand - MMF
BMW South Africa (until 1999) - NC0
Magna Steyr - WBX

4-7. Point
Vehicle Description Section (VDS):
Type code

8. Point
Security design:
Safety belts - 0
Safety belts and driver - a
Safety belts and dual airbags - 2
Safety belts and dual airbags (2nd Generation) - 3
Safety belts and dual airbags (multilevel) - 4:00

9. Point
Hash value of the VIN to verify:

10. Point

Year after ISO 3779:
Since it was not legally mandatory in Europe is worth a year code indicating BMW makes at the 10th place for quite some time a " 0 "appear. It will be in "non-European" versions of the old Year code find, however, as this example in North America is required by law. |

11. Point
BMW Plant:
Munich - AFK
Regensburg - EJP
Dingolfing - BCDG
Leipzig - V
Graz - W
Spartanburg - LM
Rosslyn - HN
Shenyang - S
Toluka (Mexico) - R
Oxford - T
Goodwood - U
Berlin - XYZ

12-17. Point
Serial Number

So if you guys really want to share, then post up your bike model (XCh, XCo) month of manufacture, and BMW Plant.
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Old 12-22-2010, 01:40 AM   #4959
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Having just pulled my bike apart into individual pieces, almost every piece on the bike has "Italy" or "made in Italy" stamped on it, except the engine which has "Made in Austria" stamped on it. About the only bits that seem German are the FI system, made by Bosch and BMW, and the rims. Obviously the suspension and brakes are Italian. All the metal work is Italian, all the electrics and switchgear (apart from FI) are Italian. Even the panels are Italian.

As for the production point saying Berlin ... I would not read anything into that. My guess is every BMW motorcycle says Berlin on that system, since officially it is the only assembly line BMW has for Motorcycles worldwide. They arent exactly going to say "Noale Italy" are they - they dont have a factory there. If they do anything in Berlin, it might be to fire up and test the bikes and put the BMW badges on the sides before shipping them out.
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Old 12-22-2010, 01:54 AM   #4960
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Snooker, the 07 bikes were built in the Aprilia factory. The Xmoto even has Pegaso wheels.
What I meant was the X-country is now being assembled in China but it's a different bike. It's road biased now, the suspension travel has been cut down to the point it is no longer viable offroad (in my opinion). By the other being out of production I mean the X challenge and Moto. I believe the plug has been pulled on these now.
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Old 12-22-2010, 05:55 AM   #4961
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Snooker, Good to hear about the parts. How much is the Labor? I thinking the price on my spare swingarm has just risen
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Old 12-22-2010, 06:34 AM   #4962
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My understanding is that the XCo was discontinued with the 09 model, the engine of which was made in China and assembled with the bike in Italy. Same with other G models.

I am not sure about the "new" facelift 650 single models recently unveiled. I have read somewhere that assembly for them IS in Germany. I dunno.

My 09 is certainly no hard-core dirt bike (which I don't want) but, with the rear shock cranked all the way up, its does pretty well on some moderately challenging dirt. I can also run it at high speeds on the road for hours. Very versatile. That's a "dual sport" which is what the bike is intended to be.
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Old 12-22-2010, 07:21 AM   #4963
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I am not sure about the "new" facelift 650 single models recently unveiled. I have read somewhere that assembly for them IS in Germany. I dunno.
BMW's press handout on the "new" 650GS says they will be assembled in Berlin.

I weighed in on the manufacturing point - assembly point discussion nearly two years ago, so anyone who seeks insight can search for my opinions and the opinions of others. READ THIS SITE, n00bs!

FOR THE RECORD, I hate the cheesy turnsignals BMW continues to use, including the ones on the S1000RR -- they're the same POSs that they put on the G650X! They don't seal and after dust comes water which makes mud.
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Old 12-22-2010, 07:59 AM   #4964
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I weighed in on the manufacturing point - assembly point discussion nearly two years ago, so anyone who seeks insight can search for my opinions and the opinions of others. READ THIS SITE, n00bs!
Careful there Geoffster, as I was a few pages back, you'll get slammed by someone asserting their god-given right to post whatever they want, misinformation, conjecture, speculation, whatever regarding our 100% Chinese (or was it Taiwanese) forged, stamped, fabricated, designed, assembled G bikes -- all years, I even hear they are still producing them there at Loncin, Kymco, SYM, and Lifan. It is the Internet afterall. Now excuse me, I need to go check to see what origin of manufacture stamp is on my footpegs.
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Old 12-22-2010, 08:49 AM   #4965
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Careful there Geoffster, as I was a few pages back, you'll get slammed by someone asserting their god-given right to post whatever they want, misinformation, conjecture, speculation, whatever regarding our 100% Chinese (or was it Taiwanese) forged, stamped, fabricated, designed, assembled G bikes -- all years, I even hear they are still producing them there at Loncin, Kymco, SYM, and Lifan. It is the Internet afterall. Now excuse me, I need to go check to see what origin of manufacture stamp is on my footpegs.
While you're at it, take a look at the date stamp on your front and rear axles to see if they're past their "use by" date. (I think you have to remove them to perform this all-important preventative maintenance.)

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