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Old 11-30-2012, 12:53 AM   #31
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Thought so, third or 4 th hand whispers on the net.....

Ok, as far as I know, when you compare us stats pre / post helmet legislation you get 30 to 50 % reductions in head injury related death AND a simiar reduction in non lethal head injury, with aprox a 4 times worse severity of head injury scores without helmets.Not ideal proof as it's nt a double blind placebo controlled trial, but in us states that repealed compulsory helmt laws the injury rates went up by 50 % again in those choosing not to wear helmets.
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:28 AM   #32
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When I went bouncing down the Newell Highway a few months ago, the A&E nurse at Goondiwindi Hospital was telling anyone who would listen that I was wearing all the correct gear. I`m certain I would have sustained much worse injuries if I hadn`t been kitted up properly.

Mind you, If I hadn`t managed to get out of the way of the B double that was bearing down on me, no amount of ATGATT would have saved me.
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Old 11-30-2012, 02:13 AM   #33
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I've seen plenty of young fellars mine included carted of to hospital with severe concussion or in a coma, even after wearing their $800 Arai helmets As they say shit happens, i wonder how many farmers have been kicked in the head by a horse or milking a cow
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Old 11-30-2012, 02:14 AM   #34
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Thought so, third or 4 th hand whispers on the net.....

Ok, as far as I know, when you compare us stats pre / post helmet legislation you get 30 to 50 % reductions in head injury related death AND a simiar reduction in non lethal head injury, with aprox a 4 times worse severity of head injury scores without helmets.Not ideal proof as it's nt a double blind placebo controlled trial, but in us states that repealed compulsory helmt laws the injury rates went up by 50 % again in those choosing not to wear helmets.

I suspect the family and my injured mate may have been seeking justification that it was OK not to wear a helmet, the impression they gave me was that it was either an intensive care nurse or doctor who made this claim. Like I said before, I'd be shocked if it was a doctor. I can see some (limited) validity in the comment but really it is most likely either a comment made specifically to make those involved feel better or Chinese whispers at their best.
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Old 11-30-2012, 02:21 AM   #35
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It's a no brainer (pun intended) A helmet always, the head dies you lose the lot most other stuff you can live without.
Seriously if it hot go without the jacket , body armour whatever heat stress can be a big problem too but realise off's will hurt.
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Old 11-30-2012, 02:25 AM   #36
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I've seen plenty of young fellars mine included carted of to hospital with severe concussion or in a coma, even after wearing their $800 Arai helmets
I hate to think what the outcome might have been if they hadn't been wearing helmets in these cases.

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Old 11-30-2012, 02:46 AM   #37
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I hate to think what the outcome might have been if they hadn't been wearing helmets in these cases.

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In some cases the head never hit the ground, so the brain can be just as easily be scrambled inside a helmet from other forces at work than just impact. I honestly believe the weight of a helmet can cause just as much damage, whiplash spinal cord and nerve damage is high on any motorcycle injury stat sheet.
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Old 11-30-2012, 02:59 AM   #38
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In some cases the head never hit the ground, so the brain can be just as easily be scrambled inside a helmet from other forces at work than just impact. I honestly believe the weight of a helmet can cause just as much damage, whiplash spinal cord and nerve damage is high on any motorcycle injury stat sheet.
Not trying to go off topic, but...
I seem to recall in the late 80s (?) there were two different medical opinions on helmets:
One group of doctors were advocating the wearing of full face helmets "because they were better" (or words to that effect).
The other group were demanding the banning of full face helmets and supported open face due to the greater mass of the full face helmets. The concern was higher rotational forces on the neck.

On the original question/comment... as the information is now 3rd or 4th hand there seems to be something lost in translation.. purple monkey dishwasher....
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Old 11-30-2012, 03:23 AM   #39
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From a southern country to another: I was under the impression that the lame anti-helmet justifications were exclusive to Americans, and the rest of the world knew better.

Well, impression shattered by this thread.
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Old 11-30-2012, 03:27 AM   #40
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In some cases the head never hit the ground, so the brain can be just as easily be scrambled inside a helmet from other forces at work than just impact. I honestly believe the weight of a helmet can cause just as much damage, whiplash spinal cord and nerve damage is high on any motorcycle injury stat sheet.
Yup, that's the story I got, via others, supposedly from someone at Westmead. My mate hardly had a scratch on him apart from massive swelling of the brain. I think a helmet would have helped, but he was going to have a brain injury regardless.
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Old 11-30-2012, 03:37 AM   #41
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From a southern country to another: I was under the impression that the lame anti-helmet justifications were exclusive to Americans, and the rest of the world knew better.

Well, impression shattered by this thread.
I thought it was only coconut cups covering the bare necessities at Carnival time in Brazil.
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Old 11-30-2012, 03:40 AM   #42
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I thought it was only coconut cups covering bare skin at Carnival in Brazil.
You forgot the monkeys roaming free on the streets!
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Old 11-30-2012, 03:45 AM   #43
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From a southern country to another: I was under the impression that the lame anti-helmet justifications were exclusive to Americans, and the rest of the world knew better.

Well, impression shattered by this thread.
A southern country is about the extent of your country's link to our world.

There's nothing wrong with being anti helmets or American - a country which provides your country with the technology to connect to the Internet. They just aren't as cock sucking of govt safety program's as Australians are. Helmets are great but don't confuse American anti helmet justifications with no helmets. They just think more in terms of self responsibility. If you want to fuck yourself Americans say you can do that. In Australia we have the govt telling us what to do. On way more than they should.

How many US ride reports on this forum show a US rider with no helmet.
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Old 11-30-2012, 03:50 AM   #44
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There's nothing wrong with being (...) American
Of course not, nobody said that.

But on:

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There's nothing wrong with being anti helmets
...let's agree to disagree.
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Of course not, nobody said that.

But on:



...let's agree to disagree.
Agreed

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