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Old 12-01-2012, 06:23 PM   #61
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Regardless of what those at Westmead said (over-worked, over-wrought, over-tired, ill informed)...my personal experience...90km/hr, bull dust hole, (post incident reconstruction) my body spat over the bars, face plant and right shoulder major impact, multiple bounces, unconscious & woke up on the wrong side of the road about 30 metres from the bull dust hole . End result, due to wearing all the good gear, fractured shoulder (armour can only absorb so much impact force), a small graze on the bridge of my nose where the helmet visor folded down into the goggles and pressed them into my schnoz and, finally, absolutely no memory between thinking "is that a pothole?" and regaining consciousness . My contention is that without helmet, jacket, pants, boots and gloves the outcome would, likely, have been far more detrimental to my health .

Also universal praise, from Ivanhoe ambo's, Broken Hill emergency and Canberra specialist for limiting injury by wearing safety gear. Another demonstration of medical practitioner differences of opinion...perhaps.

Always glad to hear that someone recovers well from an off...happier to hear, and see, people wearing full protective gear.
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Old 12-01-2012, 06:24 PM   #62
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Here is some light reading and interesting stats http://www.safesci.unsw.edu.au/downl...neckinjury.pdf



The odds of sustaining serious to severe head trauma were not
significantly different for helmet wearers than non-wearers.
I also note their conclusions "The study confirmed that helmet wearing offers a substantial benefit to the cyclist through a reduction in the risk of head, face and neck injuries."

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Old 12-01-2012, 06:34 PM   #63
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I also note their conclusions "The study confirmed that helmet wearing offers a substantial benefit to the cyclist through a reduction in the risk of head, face and neck injuries."

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Vey true 80% better off in minor to moderate injury prevention, except major. So i guess when your times up it's just the luck of the draw.
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Old 12-01-2012, 11:05 PM   #64
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interesting ATGATT thread...

dunno if this image was referenced in one of the linked pdf docos... im visual and CBA reading

picked this up off another thread of ADV a few months ago... sorry but cant remember much about the thread but it showed the % damage to helmets in a accident... may be total rubbish... but is a interesting image

- did a Google image search on image.. lots of usage... but cant tell if content is accurate -



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Old 12-02-2012, 03:24 AM   #65
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Regardless of what those at Westmead said (over-worked, over-wrought, over-tired, ill informed)...my personal experience...90km/hr, bull dust hole, (post incident reconstruction) my body spat over the bars, face plant and right shoulder major impact, multiple bounces, unconscious & woke up on the wrong side of the road about 30 metres from the bull dust hole . End result, due to wearing all the good gear, fractured shoulder (armour can only absorb so much impact force), a small graze on the bridge of my nose where the helmet visor folded down into the goggles and pressed them into my schnoz and, finally, absolutely no memory between thinking "is that a pothole?" and regaining consciousness . My contention is that without helmet, jacket, pants, boots and gloves the outcome would, likely, have been far more detrimental to my health .

Also universal praise, from Ivanhoe ambo's, Broken Hill emergency and Canberra specialist for limiting injury by wearing safety gear. Another demonstration of medical practitioner differences of opinion...perhaps.

Always glad to hear that someone recovers well from an off...happier to hear, and see, people wearing full protective gear.
Wow, sounds like you lucked out!

It is so hard to compare different crashes, with and without helmets, different speeds, bikes, riding styles. Best we can figure with my mate is as he took off from closing a gate, wire tangled in his front wheel and he went down hard and very suddenly. Speed? Maybe 60km/h?

Obviously his head impacted the ground very hard, bouncing his brain around the inside of his skull. Surely a helmet would have, however slightly, slowed the impact thereby reducing the injury... maybe?
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Old 12-02-2012, 04:01 AM   #66
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Last year a good mate came off an XR600 at relatively low speed on a property north of Lighting Ridge. He suffered a serious head injury but had very little in the way of other injuries.

He had Zero safety gear on at the time.

He was taken to Lighting Ridge hospital then flown pretty much straight away to Westmead. After some nasty moments and a coma for 3 weeks, he pulled through and now has almost fully recovered.

I am sure a helmet would have at least reduced the severity of the head injury. However, the opinion was expressed by more than one of the staff at Westmead that because his injury was basically the brain being bounced around inside his skull (nice mental image eh!) that a helmet would not have helped.

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I think someone is making an excuse for not wearing a helmet.
1) Firstly helmets are designed to absorb impact so they will prevent or at least lessen this bouncing of the brain by reducing the impact(s) - common sense.
2) No doctor has ever had anything remotely positive to say about smoking or not wearing a helmet
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Old 12-02-2012, 04:01 AM   #67
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Wow, sounds like you lucked out!

It is so hard to compare different crashes, with and without helmets, different speeds, bikes, riding styles. Best we can figure with my mate is as he took off from closing a gate, wire tangled in his front wheel and he went down hard and very suddenly. Speed? Maybe 60km/h?

Obviously his head impacted the ground very hard, bouncing his brain around the inside of his skull. Surely a helmet would have, however slightly, slowed the impact thereby reducing the injury... maybe?
Actually, I consider myself quite fortunate...it could have been a lot worse & I'm still out and about adventure riding & having untimely offs.
The ground is hard, speed makes it harder and anything that can be done to increase the odds of reducing injury can only be a good thing.
In your mate's circumstance, who can say whether a helmet would have made a difference to the outcome...the research seems to indicate that it may have, although the extent is unknown. It's just good news to hear that he has recovered.
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Old 12-02-2012, 04:04 AM   #68
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Last year a good mate came off an XR600 at relatively low speed on a property north of Lighting Ridge. He suffered a serious head injury but had very little in the way of other injuries.

He had Zero safety gear on at the time.

He was taken to Lighting Ridge hospital then flown pretty much straight away to Westmead. After some nasty moments and a coma for 3 weeks, he pulled through and now has almost fully recovered.

I am sure a helmet would have at least reduced the severity of the head injury. However, the opinion was expressed by more than one of the staff at Westmead that because his injury was basically the brain being bounced around inside his skull (nice mental image eh!) that a helmet would not have helped.

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when his head hit the ground it decelerated instantly, causing his brain to slam into the wall of his skull hard and bounce hard.

had he worn a lid the impact would have been softened, i.e. his head would have decelerated more gradually as it hit the ground. causing his brain to slam into the side of his skull more gently and bounce less hard.

in short, may have still had the same injury but wouldnt have been as bad.
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Old 12-02-2012, 07:34 PM   #69
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Old 12-02-2012, 11:17 PM   #70
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No doctor has ever had anything remotely positive to say about smoking or not wearing a helmet
You sure about that?





Research and journal articles can often be interpreted in many ways depending on how you use data collected.

A few years on todays breakthrough findings can look downright ludicrous.
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Old 12-03-2012, 03:05 AM   #71
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Gotta say the guy holding the Lucky Strike looks more like a dentist.

In 1950 the physicians & engineers were among the highest users of cigarettes.
Nowadays, for some unaccountable reason, they are among the lowest.

On an earlier point . . . since there's minimal difference of effective weight [swivelling about the neck level] between full face & open face helmets, then we might as well wear full face (or nothing?).
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Old 12-03-2012, 03:17 PM   #72
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We use bikes for stock work etc, I don't leave the machinery yard without full-face helmet & gloves. We made the change to full face helmets for facial protection even though they're hotter at slow speeds and not as convenient for UHF & phone use.

No-one rides on our place without a helmet. Anther reason is to set a good example to the kids who must wear ATGATT.

Once upon a time I would ride without a helmet, just can't justify the risk anymore.
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Old 12-03-2012, 03:28 PM   #73
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We use bikes for stock work etc, I don't leave the machinery yard without full-face helmet & gloves. We made the change to full face helmets for facial protection even though they're hotter at slow speeds and not as convenient for UHF & phone use.

No-one rides on our place without a helmet. Anther reason is to set a good example to the kids who must wear ATGATT.

Once upon a time I would ride without a helmet, just can't justify the risk anymore.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:28 AM   #74
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We use bikes for stock work etc, I don't leave the machinery yard without full-face helmet & gloves. We made the change to full face helmets for facial protection even though they're hotter at slow speeds and not as convenient for UHF & phone use.

No-one rides on our place without a helmet. Anther reason is to set a good example to the kids who must wear ATGATT.

Once upon a time I would ride without a helmet, just can't justify the risk anymore.

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Old 12-04-2012, 01:06 AM   #75
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We use bikes for stock work etc, I don't leave the machinery yard without full-face helmet & gloves.
No-one rides on our place without a helmet.

What's the workcover situation with this?
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