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Old 06-21-2010, 01:40 PM   #91
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One step to take BEFORE you balance the throttle bodies is to check and adjust the valves 1st.

Using vacuum gauges to balance the breathing characteristics assumes that all of the rest of the associated parts of the intake system are optimized (such as the valves). If there are other imbalances then your adjustment will try to compensate for them as well which usually results in a less than satisfactorily running engine.

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Old 06-21-2010, 05:47 PM   #92
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My 2 spark 1150 pinged like a mofo.

Then I had sightglass related meltdown.

New motor (same year similar mileage) I swapped in pings like a mofo too.

Put the updated cam chain tensioner in the new motor, new plugs, wires, and stick coils. Still pings just like the old motor did. That tells me it's injection related.

I did the steptoe mod tonight, I'm riding it to work tomorrow.

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Old 06-22-2010, 01:09 AM   #93
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My 98 R1100R has a pink plug, pins 30, 86 and 87A, which is the mystery plug missing from the list. The bike surges (much less since I sync'd and did a valve adjust) and it has the dreaded 'on/off' throttle off of idle. So far, no pinging (40,000 km).

I will make up the jumper as depicted and try it out. Before my Accelerator arrives.
the jumper link only works on 1150 models, not the 1100 models.
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Old 06-22-2010, 03:46 AM   #94
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the jumper link only works on 1150 models, not the 1100 models.
The 1100 models use the code plug. Or, do you mean it makes no difference installing the 30-to-87a Steptoe jumper on an 1100?

The coding plug is shown in the upper right hand corner.
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Old 06-22-2010, 04:33 AM   #95
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The 1100 models use the code plug. Or, do you mean it makes no difference installing the 30-to-87a Steptoe jumper on an 1100?
Yes, sorry. Thats what i meant. It only works on 1150 models.
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Old 06-22-2010, 04:38 AM   #96
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That's no fun. Maybe one of the other combinations does the trick on the 1100.


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Old 06-22-2010, 06:19 AM   #97
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FWIW, we've been running the 30-87a jumper (equivalent to the Beige CCP) on Ginny's '98 R1100R for almost 8 years/80k miles now. 93k total miles.

As previously noted, the Rose Pink CCP (30-87-87a) is the original piece for R1100R/GS with a kat, and the Beige CCP (30-87a) is 'listed' for the R1100R/GS without a kat.

We made this mod after fitting a full Remus exhaust with a pre-muffler, but no kat.
Her machine runs strong and gets 45'ish mpg.
Spark plugs actually have some color, instead of belly-white.
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Old 06-22-2010, 06:52 AM   #98
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My 98 R1100R has a pink plug, pins 30, 86 and 87A, which is the mystery plug missing from the list. The bike surges (much less since I sync'd and did a valve adjust) and it has the dreaded 'on/off' throttle off of idle. So far, no pinging (40,000 km).

I will make up the jumper as depicted and try it out. Before my Accelerator arrives.
You can solve your surging problem easily on that bike (1100 series). Take the pink plug out and throw it off a bridge.
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Old 06-22-2010, 07:17 AM   #99
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Very interesting all that....now I'll have to go see what is in my friend's R1100.Hopefully it ain't PINK......! You wouldn't have the plug specs for the K-Bikes? Went looking at the wiring diagram, there is a coding plug on them too, the parts fiche only shows one available, 61 36 8 366 282, (30/87) golden brown. Thanks!
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Old 06-22-2010, 11:35 AM   #100
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One step to take BEFORE you balance the throttle bodies is to check and adjust the valves 1st.

Using vacuum gauges to balance the breathing characteristics assumes that all of the rest of the associated parts of the intake system are optimized (such as the valves). If there are other imbalances then your adjustment will try to compensate for them as well which usually results in a less than satisfactorily running engine.

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I stand ashamed, should've mentioned that as well! Thanks JJ
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Old 06-22-2010, 11:39 AM   #101
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I stand ashamed, should've mentioned that as well! Thanks JJ
Ya tosser, cant even keep an RT rubber down
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Old 06-22-2010, 03:40 PM   #102
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My pinging is gone. Buh-bye.

110 miles on it today, I pulled a long grade (3 miles) this afternoon, lugged it to 3200 rpm, rolled on the throttle, just smooth acceleration. No ping.

Thank-you Steptoe.


I've owned this bike for 4 years now, it has never run so nice.
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Old 06-22-2010, 04:07 PM   #103
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OK, I'm confused. What does CCP stand for, and it looks as though the jumper is hooked up different from the stocker 'relay' in at least one spot. Regardless, that's one great pic of a 'relay' - wonder how much the dealer gets for those...
CCP=Cat Code Plug...the Motronic has various maps onboard. The appropriate CCP (they are color coded) is installed by the factory based upon on the country of destination for the bike and the required emmissions. By changing the CCP you can select a different map which may provide some detonation relief.

However, based upon an article by the late Rob Lentini, choosing a different CCP and therefore engaging a different map, may result in lower performance and increased fuel consumption. Search the WWW for Lentini's articles. He understood our R259 boxers well.

The CCP is NOT a relay, merely a jumper in a color coded plastic box which is insterted into the recepticle in the electrical box under your seat.
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Old 06-23-2010, 01:32 PM   #104
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Check Valves 1st

Thanks. I'll check my valves first, as shown in the unofficial maintenance guide provided on this site.

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One step to take BEFORE you balance the throttle bodies is to check and adjust the valves 1st.

Using vacuum gauges to balance the breathing characteristics assumes that all of the rest of the associated parts of the intake system are optimized (such as the valves). If there are other imbalances then your adjustment will try to compensate for them as well which usually results in a less than satisfactorily running engine.

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Old 06-23-2010, 02:08 PM   #105
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