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Old 06-29-2010, 08:51 PM   #121
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Hey ThomasJ2895!

Did you do a complete spark plug change-out? It's a relatively cheap thing to do and you eventually have to do it anyhow, so why not try it?
Buy the el-cheapo Autolite 3923's from wherever.. Not the crazy 16 eleectrode jobs, just the plain jane ole 3923's.. Hell, I dont even gap 'em, I just throw them in..

Also, how are your throttle cables? Are they in really good shape?
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Old 06-29-2010, 08:58 PM   #122
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Hey ThomasJ2895!

Did you do a complete spark plug change-out? It's a relatively cheap thing to do and you eventually have to do it anyhow, so why not try it?
Yep...running Autolight 3923...looked for 3922 but couldn't find any.
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Old 06-30-2010, 04:48 AM   #123
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I'm just sayin'

I'm running the NGK Iridium's, and I have to say the girl runs pretty smooth.

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Old 06-30-2010, 09:15 AM   #124
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If your bike is running fine as it is, I dont really think the plug matters, but the Autolite is a known qunatity, which is why I believe its helpful as a baseline..

I think plugs are kind of like oil.. Run the proper ones and change them as needed..

Waaaiiiittt...

Maybe thats the issue.. What kind of oil are you running? While we are at it, what kind of oil should I run?
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Old 07-01-2010, 11:51 PM   #125
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If your bike is running fine as it is, I dont really think the plug matters, but the Autolite is a known qunatity, which is why I believe its helpful as a baseline..

I think plugs are kind of like oil.. Run the proper ones and change them as needed..

Waaaiiiittt...

Maybe thats the issue.. What kind of oil are you running? While we are at it, what kind of oil should I run?
I ain't touching that one with a 200' pole!
Spoke to the local BMW dealer tech this afternoon about the ping issue and he said that the pinging is a normal characteristic for the 1150 when summer comes and the temps go up, especially at altitude. He also said he understood if I didn't like it as he wouldn't like it either. He did say that the only real way to stop the pinging, after the normal de-carbonization efforts were done, were to install an aftermarket gizmo that richen's the mixture and maybe the timing as well. So I think I'll give that a go and hope for the best. Will report back with, hopefully, good news.
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Old 07-02-2010, 08:32 AM   #126
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Had hopes this would cure my 01 GS pings but no luck. Things tried so far:
1) Techron...many bottles worth
2) Seafoam
3) Water torture
4) Cam Chain Tensioner upgrade (fixed the marbles in a can)
5) valve adj
6) TBS
7) Motronic jumper
8) 100 octane...it loved this stuff but at $7.50/gal somewhat impractical.

not necessarily in that order.
Wishes for a 1200!
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Try: no jumper and switch to Autolite 3922 (1 step colder than 3923) plugs.($5 for 2)
It worked for me, I stopped using 94 and now run 92 or 91 with no pinging issues.
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Old 07-02-2010, 12:10 PM   #127
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Last year after doing Steptoe's jumper mod and a new O2 sensor my '00 1150 has no surging and no pinging, before it did both. I went through everything in the Hall of Wisdom and got excellent feedback on this forum however those two things made the most dramatic and positive changes on my bike.
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Old 07-02-2010, 05:13 PM   #128
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Last year after doing Steptoe's jumper mod and a new O2 sensor my '00 1150 has no surging and no pinging, before it did both. I went through everything in the Hall of Wisdom and got excellent feedback on this forum however those two things made the most dramatic and positive changes on my bike.
Yep, I agree. The Hall of Wisdom and this forum make the most dramatic and positive changes.


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Old 07-03-2010, 11:56 PM   #129
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Purchased 1999 R1100R with about 47K miles on it here in San Diego; I've put a couple of thousand miles on it and have really enjoyed getting into riding; I've taken a bunch of classes including Total Control.

I've read all of the posts on this thread. I understand the jumper deal on the CCP. My 1999 R1100R came with the pinkish 30 87 87a CCP; yesteray I put in the beige 30 87a plug and I feel it really smoothed out the surge and that the change was immediately apparent on install and just turning it on and listening to the idle.

I am concerned that this may have a bad effect on the cat converter; I would understand that it runs the motronic program richer; I could probably make a jumper but for 6 bucks I'm just going to order the yellow plug that jumps 30 and 87. I may also try no plug.

The yellow plug pictures earlier in this thread show that it jumped 30 and 87, but the jumper he built jumps 30 and 87a, just like the beige plug I bought.

I have made no other changes.
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Old 07-04-2010, 12:08 AM   #130
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This is from the Santini info; I don't think it's necessary to clear the codes or reset the Motronic. I will l post one more pasted piece of information on the BMW CCP Plugs; they are 6 bucks a piece. Next Post.

1. R1100RS without cat, no CCP connections, CO pot installed:
  • Best overall power
  • No surging
  • Significantly higher emissions
  • Converter damage likely
  • Poor fuel consumption
2. R1100RS with Golden Yellow CCP, 30-87 connections, no CO pot
  • Performance very close to #1
  • Very slight surging
  • Low emissions
  • Better fuel consumption than #1
3. R1100RS with CCP, 30-87 connections, with CO pot (to observe if pot can be coinstalled with O2 sensor)
  • Performance same as #2
  • Same emissions
  • CO pot has no effect, appears to be ignored
4. R1100RS - CH (Switzerland) with cat, Dove Blue CCP, 30-86-87a connections, no CO pot
  • Breaks up under hard throttle; won't full beyond 7000rpm
  • More surging than #2
  • Performance SUCKS!
5. R1100GS without cat, Beige CCP, 30-87a connections, no CO pot
  • OK midrange power; relatively weak top end
  • Defaulted to 1.8% (because of no CO pot)
  • No surging
6. R1100GS with cat, Rose Pink CCP, 30-87-87a connections, no CO pot
  • Weak mid range power, weaker than #5
  • Significant surging
(Note: This CCP when matched with GS Intake Tubes (see http://www.ibmwr.org/r-tech/oilheads/R11pwmod.shtml) can significantly improve mid range torque on RTs and RSs)
7. R1100GS - CH (Switzerland) with cat, Mahogany Brown CCP, 30-86-87-87a connections, no CO pot
  • Starts, but won't idle unless throttle is held open. I did not ride my bike in this configuration.
  • UNRIDEABLE!
Conclusions:
  • Config #1 is best for power, has high emissions, increases fuel consumption (O2 sensor seems ignored or overpowered--no closed loop) and will probably damage a catalytic converter. Use only with non-cat exhaust system.
  • Config #2 is very close the #1 in performance, has some surging, low emissions, better fuel consumption, and will work with or without a converter.
  • No other CCP configuration will work acceptably in an R1100RS. It would be interesting to observe the performance of an R1100GS with RS mapping.
  • The CO pot, if installed with a "with cat CCP", is ignored. YOUR money is wasted!
  • If the CCP is removed, and the CO pot is not installed, the "1111" CO pot fault is set, and the Motronic control unit defaults to 1.8% CO value.
  • It is IMPERATIVE when making ANY Motronic changes to clear faults by removing and then reinstalling fuse #5, and to be safe, fuse #6.
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Old 07-04-2010, 12:23 AM   #131
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Note: Even though Steptoe says these plug changes don't work on the R1100R; I think it does work and probably because he is in England and my bike is USA spec and came with the 30 87 87a pink plug below. I'm running beige 30 87a for now but will try the yellow 30 87 which on the table below says is right for a bike with a cat.

Beige is listed as non cat.

Yellow is listed as with cat.

On the other hand, if all the CCP plug changes do is to tell the Motronic 2.2 on my bike to run a richer or leaner program then I think that whichever program runs the bike the best is probably ok. I do affirm that the beige plug 30 87a and the same as the jump Steptoe recommends made a big diff on my USA R1100R USA (well California, if that makes a diff) bike; and it might be a diff as California is pretty tight on emmisions. Here's the table copied from somewhere else on this site:

Codeplug Table:
Type GS Model Plug Colour Connected pins BMW part number Motronic version
R850GS cat Gold yellow 30 - 87 - -61368366282- 2.2
R850GS cat 25Kw Grey 30 86 87 - -61368366623- 2.2
R850GS non-cat -no plug- - - - - - -2.2
R850GS non-cat 25Kw Olive yellow 30 86 - - -61368366621- 2.2
R1100GS cat Pink 30 - 87 87A -61368366625- 2.2
R1100GS non-cat Beige 30 - - 87A -61368366551- 2.2
R1100GS cat Swisserland Dark brown 30 86 87 87A -61368366624- 2.2
R1150GS cat Gold yellow 30 - 87 - -61368366282- 2.4
R1150GS cat 91ROZ Grey 30 86 87 - -61368366623- 2.4
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Old 07-04-2010, 07:25 AM   #132
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I installed a jumper between 30 & 87a as Steptoe recommended and my 2003 R1150RT ran much smoother. The stock jumper for my RT was a 30-87-87A config.

It also seemed to have a more throaty exhaust note through the Remus exhaust.

After I installed it I rode from Denver (5,500 above sea level) up over Squaw Pass (11,000+ feet above sea level) and back and the bike ran great.

Surging was still there but greatly reduced.

I plan on installing a set of the Autolite plugs, setting the valves and synching the TBs.
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Old 07-04-2010, 08:55 AM   #133
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I just did 200 miles after doing the steptoe mode on my 03. I also did the cam chain tens. Pings way less for sure but I still get pining when rolling on it in 5 and 6th. Thinking of trying no jumper next.May some colder plugs.

Side not I think I really need to adjus the valves. Motor is pretty noisy..
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Old 07-26-2010, 03:03 PM   #134
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I just did the Steptoe mod on my 2002 1150GSA, also eliminated the cat using a Sebring Y-pipe and kept the stock muffler. Quite noticeable (to me) improvement in low-mid range torque and no more pinging (shweet), even on steep hills @ WOT. Unfortunately it seems to surge a bit where it didn't before, but overall I am quite pleased. It ran well before, with only mild surging under 3500 rpms, but was kind of gutless & slow. I live at 7200 feet elevation and do all my riding above that, so the extra torque is very welcome here.

Hard to say which mod did what but it started pinging bad ths summer under even moderate load and now that is just gone. Only other mod is a K&N which has been in 3k miles or so. 15k miles on the bike total.

Getting some backfire on decel and it is a little bit noisier overall but not objectionable, at speed I can't tell the difference noise-wise due to wind buffeting. Feels like a big old hairy dirt bike now, & more responsive to throttle inputs. I will probably do the tensioner mod next.

Many thanks to Steptoe for making us aware of this mod.
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Old 08-13-2010, 08:54 AM   #135
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I don't have a relay on my bike, 2004 GSA, so will it respond to "Steptoeing"?
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