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Old 01-23-2007, 09:34 AM   #31
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While I'm on the subject of dirtbikes, my medical training officer has a 2003 WR450F he said he'd sell me for $3400-Renthall bars, WR and YZ exhausts, meticulously maintained and only on it's second tire. Whatdaya think? that and a 640 would complete the stable (and would neccessitate shitloads of overtime on my part )

The ATK sounds like a great bike but I guess not really ideal for multiday trips and/or frequent pavement hops. Seems as though I may suffer an Orange Infection in spite of my resistance
I have a couple friends who have dual sported the 450 wr FYI. One thing to watch and ask about is the key way in the starter system on the 2003. If it hasnt been upgraded and lets loose you will have a mess. As you can tell I dont know the exact upgrade but someone else doesnt chime in i will ask my buddy for you. as for price that is a supply and demand thing I dont get into.
I guess you need to ask yourself do you want a dirt orientated or a street orientated dual sport. I spent 1200 miles,8 days and ascended 90,000 feet, 2 weeks ago driving to cooper canyon and back. 300+ miles each way on the slab. The slabs across the desert was boring. Did i switch from cheek to cheek yes. Did I love the bike when I start riding in snow,ice and gravel roads that were really more like 15 foot wide single track in Arkansas and Oklahoma. You bet i did. sit back,wick that throttle and roll. Oh, will I truck my bike to Creel next time. Probably !! LOL
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Old 01-23-2007, 09:40 AM   #32
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from the standpoint of reliability and quality - I would choose the venerable XR600 over an ATK/Rotax 605

motor performance ? - the same

suspension/handling ? - XR600

stock parts/dealers ? - XR600

aftermarket parts ? - motor the same - chassis ? - XR600

street legality ? - the XR600 didn't come legal - but can be made str legal in most states with ease

neither are ideal for the street
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Old 01-23-2007, 09:57 AM   #33
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I have a couple friends who have dual sported the 450 wr FYI. One thing to watch and ask about is the key way in the starter system on the 2003. If it hasnt been upgraded and lets loose you will have a mess. As you can tell I dont know the exact upgrade but someone else doesnt chime in i will ask my buddy for you. as for price that is a supply and demand thing I dont get into.
I guess you need to ask yourself do you want a dirt orientated or a street orientated dual sport. I spent 1200 miles,8 days and ascended 90,000 feet, 2 weeks ago driving to cooper canyon and back. 300+ miles each way on the slab. The slabs across the desert was boring. Did i switch from cheek to cheek yes. Did I love the bike when I start riding in snow,ice and gravel roads that were really more like 15 foot wide single track in Arkansas and Oklahoma. You bet i did. sit back,wick that throttle and roll. Oh, will I truck my bike to Creel next time. Probably !! LOL
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Yeah I'm aware of the Woodruf key on the stator shaft. The bike I'm looking at has been updated.

Old XR's are surely cool bikes!
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Old 01-23-2007, 10:43 AM   #34
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If you mean you want to travel on one, I don't know. I would prefer not to deal with parts availability for something like that. As a woods bike, the ATK 605 is awesome though. Low hanging branches suck because it's a really tall bike. The engine is fantastic. I can come to a stop and take off again without using the clutch, and without the engine bogging. Awesome low end, super controllable, it's like riding an automatic on slow technical stuff. The engine's really well made (it doesn't use or need a head gasket, for instance) but I don't know what it'd take to make the bike travel. I think of it as a very big enduro bike. The one I rode would definitely need major regearing to take down the highway. It probably doesn't have a cush drive either. You could make up a seat and attach some fuel cells and regear it with a cush drive wheel, and no doubt it'd do it, I'm just not sure it'd really be the best choice for that. Great bike though.
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Old 01-23-2007, 10:47 AM   #35
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motor performance ? - the same

Not in my experience. The 605 is a much more impressive engine. I like the XR600 a bit better overall offroad, but I'm not that good and it's just easier to ride chassis-wise for me. But the 605's engine, in terms of control and power, is pretty awesome, I think it smokes the XR's.
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Old 01-23-2007, 10:50 AM   #36
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I bought a new 605DS/ES in 1995----------I've owned at least 35 dirt bikes--most came from my racing years---it's the only one I hated. I wouldn't admit it to anyone for a year as I was emabarrassed I paid $7,200 for it. I had no real mechanical issues with it except it would foul a plug about every other time I tried to start it cold.

I could never come to grips with the handling and especially the rear shock----no amount of adjustment made it right. I hated riding it and would sometimes hand it over to my son who was always with me--and take his bike--as I had bought both of them and he didn't have much to say on the matter. I'd rather ride his old clapped out DR350.

The only way I could get rid of it was trade it off for a nice Ducati sport bike-----nobody would buy it.

I had that bike back when I was still an aggressive and good rider. At 55 I'm still fair-just not real aggressive.

Anyway--I have a 2006 610 Husky now--------I'm not going into all the technical details of how the Husky is better in every way (for me) (maybe not you---but for me)----I'd be typing for an hour.

The Husky makes a great offroad adventure bike-----as it has plenty of electrical power----a 4.3 tank will be in my shop in a week---all the superb components the ATK has---enough meat and strenght to the frame to carry a rear rack and some dirt Bagz ala a KTM adventure.

Super smooth motor with a 6 speed which gives a very relaxed 70mph cruising speed.

Plenty of oil for the big trip. I only changed the oil once on a 3,600 mile offroad trip on the trans am trail with it to the Oregon coast.

It only has electric start--but has a hole I assume could be fitted with a kickstarter.

A lot of ATK lovers have replied here. They seem to like it just fine.

I'm just saying it didn't work for me.
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Old 01-23-2007, 11:13 AM   #37
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What you need to do is DS the ATK 700cc 2 stroke!

Now that would be an interesting ride!
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Old 01-23-2007, 11:28 AM   #38
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Husqvarna TE610

Mark, I've read many of your posts on the Husky. The Te-610 sounds like a great bike. The problem is I know I'm gonna like the way a 640 KTM or a TE-610 rides; I've just been fantasizing about a tech air-cooled motor with great suspension. The DR650 has always been a consideration, just so much to do to make the suspension better. I guess someday I'll have to build my own.
Underststandably, most DS development is in water-cooled engines.
I'm not really afraid to work on/maintain a finicky bike like the KTM, I'd just rather have something I know I could stretch a service interval on and not have a top end failure. I have seen reports of people riding the LC4 engine a long ways with penty of abuse thrown. Ah well, it will probably just depend on which bike I find a good deal on first TE610/KTM640. These really seem to be the only performance mid-sized dual sports with elec. start that don't require massive amounts of modding.

Anybody here own/owned both the newer Husqvarna and a KTM lc4? Comparisons?
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Old 01-24-2007, 04:28 AM   #39
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[quote=BigDogAdventures.com]
Anyway--I have a 2006 610 Husky now--------I'm not going into all the technical details of how the Husky is better in every way (for me) (maybe not you---but for me)----I'd be typing for an hour.
quote]

Hey Mark

Sorry to high jack the thread for a minute but I want to pass some info along. One of the guys on my latest adventure to Copper Canyon had a 610.(it is a sweetbike) I am not for sure if it the 2006 or 2007. He just bought it. On the 2nd day in Batopilas he plugged in his GPS which was hard wired (I dont have any other particulars besides that) while the bike was running. The bike died, come to find out he did it blew out the CDI. Needless to say it went back to Texas in the back of 2 different pick ups. When he took it to the dealer they borrowed the CDI off a bike on the showroom. As soon as it was plugged in the bike started. He has since ordered a spare CDI. I have no idea why or what but he road 1.3 days of an 8 day trip. Hopefully this is an isolated incidence.Have you heard of this happening ?


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Old 01-24-2007, 04:40 AM   #40
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On the 2nd day in Batopilas he plugged in his GPS which was hard wired (I dont have any other particulars besides that) while the bike was running. The bike died, come to find out he did it blew out the CDI.


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I have been reading you guys ride report intently---really been enjoying it---and yes the Husky breakdown got my attention. It's the only instance I've heard of this happening. Really weird that this happened when he plugged in the GPS as the ignition system and the 12-volt battery system are totally seperate on that bike---as it will run without a battery like a real dirt bike. Surely he didn't have it miswired into his ignition system.
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Old 01-24-2007, 05:33 AM   #41
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I have been reading you guys ride report intently---really been enjoying it---and yes the Husky breakdown got my attention. It's the only instance I've heard of this happening. Really weird that this happened when he plugged in the GPS as the ignition system and the 12-volt battery system are totally seperate on that bike---as it will run without a battery like a real dirt bike. Surely he didn't have it miswired into his ignition system.
Thanks Billy !!!!
I am not for sure about having it miswired. I was still coming down the canyon in the 2nd group when this happened. I havent asked to see if he has plugged the GPS in again. I do know he didnt tell the dealer what happened which I found strange. He basically said it quit. Skinny on the thread is the guy who owns the Husky

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Old 01-24-2007, 06:52 AM   #42
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I have been reading you guys ride report intently---really been enjoying it---and yes the Husky breakdown got my attention. It's the only instance I've heard of this happening. Really weird that this happened when he plugged in the GPS as the ignition system and the 12-volt battery system are totally seperate on that bike---as it will run without a battery like a real dirt bike. Surely he didn't have it miswired into his ignition system.
Thanks Billy !!!!
I installed the GPS 3 months ago when I bought the Husky...ran a separate wire straight from the battery to the GPS...it was trouble-free duing the 320 mile ride from Presidio, and 2 previous week-end trips to Big Bend...long story short...it works just fine until you plug the GPS in with the motor running. Several people with more knowlege of electrical systems than me have expressed doubts that this was the cause, but the instant I plugged the GPS back in, the motor died just like turning the key off. Another ignition module fixed the problem, but I'm nervous that there is a glaring design deficiency in the circuitry. My dealer in Lubbock said he had never seen a failure before, but I'm living proof of at least one....
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Old 01-24-2007, 07:03 AM   #43
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I installed the GPS 3 months ago when I bought the Husky...ran a separate wire straight from the battery to the GPS...it was trouble-free duing the 320 mile ride from Presidio, and 2 previous week-end trips to Big Bend...long story short...it works just fine until you plug the GPS in with the motor running. Several people with more knowlege of electrical systems than me have expressed doubts that this was the cause, but the instant I plugged the GPS back in, the motor died just like turning the key off. Another ignition module fixed the problem, but I'm nervous that there is a glaring design deficiency in the circuitry. My dealer in Lubbock said he had never seen a failure before, but I'm living proof of at least one....
Cool Skinny thanks for the clarification :)

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Old 01-24-2007, 07:31 AM   #44
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Anybody here own/owned both the newer Husqvarna and a KTM lc4? Comparisons?
I have a 06 SM610, same motor as the TE, just different wheels basically. I had a 640LC4.

Both have ample power to do what you want to do
Both will do street miles with no issues
Both have stock seats that suck. One Word Renazco!
Both are reliable, well made bikes
KTM has larger after market support, but Husky is catching up some now
Husky DOES NOT VIBRATE LIKE THE LC4. Way better in that department
Husky DOES NOT HAVE A KICKER. Not a big deal, but if you were somewhere and toasted your battery and couldn't push it, that would suck. However, the battery that comes in the Husky is HUGE! It's actually about a 1/4 of a inch taller than the battery in my Tuono! It's a real bike battery, not like the little one in my 07 KTM 525 EXC.
Oil changes are easy on the Husky. One filter, great location and easy drain plug access with a huge magnet on it.
Both have good suspension
Believe the Husky is a tad lighter

Pound for pound, both good bikes, but I would have to give the nod to the Husky just because all around it is a better total package right outta the box.

I have a GPS directly wired into my SM610 and have never had any issues. I plug it in running or not. I'd check the wiring, maybe there is a short some where? Mine is wired directly to the battery. SO far I am very happy with my SM610. I am sure the TE is the same. I went with a 07 KTM 525 EXC for my "dirt" bike as I wanted some thing lighter and a little more powerful than the 610 to cover all aspects of dirt riding. Not that Husky couldn't, the 610 makes good power and is very maint friendly. I am Dual Sporting my KTM, adding a HT Oil Cooler to get more capacity and cooling, but this bike won't see the highway like my Husky does. I have done a 350 mile trip on my Husky with my GF on the back. With the exception of the seat, she was pretty comfortable. 350 miles on a LC4 would be VIBE city and you would surely be numb somewhere!
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Old 01-24-2007, 08:47 AM   #45
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CT, firebolter nailed it- Get the Husky. I can then do extensive comparative analysis to Gordy's 640 and report on which one sucks. Seriously, less vibration, easier maintenance and big ass battery are all big pluses in my book. The thing also has a dry weight of 308 lbs.



Skinny, based on what you reported, I have to think that there was a momentary dead short at the connector when you pluged it in. This may be at the 12 v. plug or receptical in the GPS unit itself. The GPS unit itself dosen't draw that much current, so I'm sure it's not related to that. I'd just do the connections with the bike off and then turn the GPS on/off with its own button.
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