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Old 08-28-2007, 10:56 PM   #826
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Clearly Steve, minimalist is a subjective concept. In this context, it defies strict definition. I have no way of knowing what you've got stowed away on that bike, your level of comfort, and I didn't know the intended use (trip plan).

Going by appearances only, it looks like as much stuff as I've ever loaded on my Beemer or KLR650. Hey, I'm not judging you for taking what you do, my bikes look like that too.

Let me ask it this way...
Would it still be minimalist if that stuff were on a DRZ400?
A KLR650? Or is what makes this minimalist to you the fact that you're riding a DR200? Would it be more of an ascetic experience on a 125?
The thread title states "250cc and under" and therefore the concept at least here is not subjective. The DRZ does have a minimal seat though. Go for the 125 and post your report/pics.
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Old 08-28-2007, 11:01 PM   #827
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The thread title states "250cc and under" and therefore the concept at least here is not subjective. The DRZ does have a minimal seat though. Go for the 125 and post your report/pics.
No offense GasPig, but you're not following the bouncing ball.

I get the 250 part (duh), I'm working on the min..

never mind.
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Old 08-29-2007, 02:48 AM   #828
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Clearly Steve, minimalist is a subjective concept. In this context, it defies strict definition. I have no way of knowing what you've got stowed away on that bike, your level of comfort, and I didn't know the intended use (trip plan).

Going by appearances only, it looks like as much stuff as I've ever loaded on my Beemer or KLR650. Hey, I'm not judging you for taking what you do, my bikes look like that too.

Let me ask it this way...
Would it still be minimalist if that stuff were on a DRZ400?
A KLR650? Or is what makes this minimalist to you the fact that you're riding a DR200? Would it be more of an ascetic experience on a 125?


MT'ing has seemed to fall into several real world camps.



To some it means some home brewed fitting out solutions. For others a short duration trip with just enough gear to get through the trip. I've already spelled out my perspective.

Some use air cooled machines others liquid. Some of those are vintage and others modern. Some the latest high tech others low tech. Some need a low seat. Some ride unplated dirt mounts others plated, and still others d/s machines. Some ride with a GPS and others not. We have also discussed the 250 Ninja and a few other street twins.


All of these perspectives could be reasons for division but they haven't.


Many pass through the MT world on their way to something else because it is generally cheaper to ride a smaller machine than the latest. They may not have the resources for anything than an old traibike they bought cheap. So many get their feet wet here and move on to something else. Still others are experienced riders looking for a different touring experience. There is also a hard core contingent of small bike people that just plain prefer the small stuff.




My gear amounts to a tankbag, tailbag, panniers, 2 stuffsacks (drybags) and 2-1 gallon fuel cans. I can remove ALL of such gear in less than 2-3 minutes from bike. Would probably take 5 to assemble.

It has taken some time to develope my 200 rig. Already having most of the gear the bike specific additions were the HT pannier and top rack and a recently ordered Works shock. All the other efforts/expenditures have been typical maintenance type stuff to make sure the bike is in tip top shape for departure.



It appears that you are a recent arrival to this thread. Because my trip plans and gear outline has already been laid out in the last few pages. I do this to share my experience with the others here as many other contributors have. Also, I am assuming you have not read the initial pages of this thread either.




Touring solutions for machines 250cc or less is the definition of MT'ing here. No matter what you ride or how you equip it this is where we discuss such things.



Am I right, MT riders.



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Old 08-29-2007, 03:05 AM   #829
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Thumb 250 cc and under ...

Hey, the title says it all eh ?
I love this thread as it carries on from where my motorcycling started.
As a DRZ 250 rider the satisfaction in doing it on a small displacement bike in this time of "bigger is better" is great, and as so many of you have pointed out, these bikes show that "less is more ".
Keep up your stories of success on small bikes - so many problems seem to be reduced with small, efficient adventure tourers. Technology advances have lifted these bikes into a new category of ability - your success stories proove this. Long may they last.
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Old 08-29-2007, 06:30 AM   #830
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Clearly Steve, minimalist is a subjective concept. In this context, it defies strict definition.
The context was given by the first post of this thread.
To wit: Minimalist shall refer to adventure touring on small displacement (250cc and under) thumpers.

Clearly, you've dropped the context in order to make a point. Shame.
Admit your error and all will be forgiven.

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Old 08-29-2007, 06:37 AM   #831
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Touring solutions for machines 250cc or less is the definition of MT'ing here. No matter what you ride or how you equip it this is where we discuss such things.



Am I right, MT riders.


Steve, when ur right, ur right. And ur right.

Now, are you taking the DR200 on the JBR or not??

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Old 08-29-2007, 09:14 AM   #832
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The context was given by the first post of this thread.
To wit: Minimalist shall refer to adventure touring on small displacement (250cc and under) thumpers.

Clearly, you've dropped the context in order to make a point. Shame.
Admit your error and all will be forgiven.

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Right. It is indeed a matter of definition. One can say that HERE minimalist means 250cc and under, but that doesn't make it so.

"250cc and under" is a displacement, a capacity.
"minimalist" is a design criteria, a philosophy.

To draw with a heavier pen...
One person travels with a sleeping bag, builds his shelter each night, mostly fishes and hunts for food, has only the clothes he's wearing, but rides a DRZ400.

Another person has a tent, stove, several changes of clothes, cell phone, razor, etc. but rides a DR200.

Which is the minimalist?

I suggested before that this thread would be better served with the title "Small Bike Touring".

But hey, carry on. I was just trying to expand on the mindset of the minimalist motorcycle tourist and not trying to upset anyone.
My "error" Kaler, was to mistake this thread for something it apparently is not.
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Old 08-29-2007, 09:30 AM   #833
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Old 08-29-2007, 02:07 PM   #834
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Right. It is indeed a matter of definition. One can say that HERE minimalist means 250cc and under, but that doesn't make it so.

"250cc and under" is a displacement, a capacity.
"minimalist" is a design criteria, a philosophy.

To draw with a heavier pen...
One person travels with a sleeping bag, builds his shelter each night, mostly fishes and hunts for food, has only the clothes he's wearing, but rides a DRZ400.

Another person has a tent, stove, several changes of clothes, cell phone, razor, etc. but rides a DR200.

Which is the minimalist?

I suggested before that this thread would be better served with the title "Small Bike Touring".

But hey, carry on. I was just trying to expand on the mindset of the minimalist motorcycle tourist and not trying to upset anyone.
My "error" Kaler, was to mistake this thread for something it apparently is not.
The thead title clearly states what it is all about:
"Minimalist Touring Thread (250cc and under)"
Obviously it is for bikes under 250cc. I'm not trying to be a sm*rt*ss. My point is this. I like your idea for a barebones thread. In fact I would most likely subscribe to it as well. I for one don't have fancy bags and racks, GPS, Northface gear or whatever. I have a 10 year old KLR250, some second hand bags, a map, a sleeping bag from wal mart, a tent from big lots, a disposable camera and a fishing pole. I would thoroughly enjoy reading and exchanging ideas w/ guys that have more experience than I do traveling bare bones. So when does the new thread start???
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Old 08-29-2007, 02:19 PM   #835
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The thead title clearly states what it is all about:
"Minimalist Touring Thread (250cc and under)"
Obviously it is for bikes under 250cc. I'm not trying to be a sm*rt*ss. My point is this. I like your idea for a barebones thread. In fact I would most likely subscribe to it as well. I for one don't have fancy bags and racks, GPS, Northface gear or whatever. I have a 10 year old KLR250, some second hand bags, a map, a sleeping bag from wal mart, a tent from big lots, a disposable camera and a fishing pole. I would thoroughly enjoy reading and exchanging ideas w/ guys that have more experience than I do traveling bare bones. So when does the new thread start???
Why all the discussion? Why don't one of you just start that bitch?
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Old 08-29-2007, 02:29 PM   #836
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One can say that HERE minimalist means 250cc and under, but that doesn't make it so.
In this thread's context that statement becomes nonsensical.

In a wider context -- say, a new thread that someone may wanna start -- it could be an interesting jumping-off point for a very cool discussion.

The context here is narrower, and that's one reason this thread is so cool.

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Old 08-29-2007, 04:32 PM   #837
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Why all the discussion? Why don't one of you just start that bitch?
I don't wanna. You do it.
I can't think of a catchy title for it.
How 'bout
"Start That Bitch...(The Barebones Touring Thread)"?
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Old 08-29-2007, 05:39 PM   #838
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Now, are you taking the DR200 on the JBR or not??

Kaler

Have a little more than a weeks worth of work at work left to complete. Looking at a 9/9 departure.

Yes, the 200 is going.

I think I can get to North Bay without using 11. From there till I get to 624 near Heaslip I'll need 11, wish me luck.

Have you ever been on Nipissing Trail between Sequin Falls and Magnetawan?

Monitoring the weather; seeing lows already dipping into the 30's F. Glad that I will have more than my skivies and a toothbrush. Sure hope someone sells smoked whitefish there, love that stuff.



blimpman;

Looks like a great rig, tell us more about it and your trip to Mid Ohio with a pic or 2.



About this living off the land approach, few can pull it off. With the world becoming a smaller place unless you can leave a camp without signs of your presence you will not be doing anyone any good. The rules and regs I have seen implemented since the 70's are in response to the many slobs that have ruined it for the rest of us. Registrations and fees for interior type camping are . The last thing we need is to make a grave situation worse. Please, please, please leave no sign (noise, tracks, debri, etc) of your presence that the socialistic greenpeace crowd can identify if you are outside of a designated (regulated $$$$$$$) camping area.


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Old 08-29-2007, 09:03 PM   #839
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Please, please, please leave no sign (noise, tracks, debri, etc) of your presence
Nothing but some flattened grass.

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