powder coat??

comes naturally · 03-18-2007, 02:45 PM

I'm done with the tear down of my RZ 350 that I'm rebuilding (write up to follow in old school). It's currently down to the rolling chassis and it's time to start thinking about how I'm going to coat the frame once I strip the paint. I would like to powder coat it. Does anyone know aprox. how much it costs? Also do you normally use someone local?

I'm going to make a trip up to the local hot rod shop as well as the chopper place and ask where they get there stuff done but I would like to have some idea of what I'm talking about before I go.

kellyk7 · 03-18-2007, 02:59 PM

we have a local powder coater that has an oven big enough to do a full race car frame, we had some gates and such powder coated these were about 800.00 each. I would figure these to be about 4 times the size of a frame on a bike.

Rotor-head · 03-18-2007, 04:25 PM

I'm rebuilding a neglected '97 DR650 and have been quoted $150 to powder coat the frame using standard colors they have on the shelf (custom would run extra). This includes grit blasting the frame to remove the old paint and any corrosion. Most powder coaters will (should!) blast the frame so you shouldn't have to strip the paint, I would get all the grease and oil off.
My Dad powder coated his '76 Goldwing frame for $200, but it is larger and heavier than the DR frame. For the cost, powder coating is well worth it.

comes naturally · 03-18-2007, 04:39 PM

I also want to do the wheels. Nothing custom. Gloss black on the fram and flat black fro the wheels.

Poolside · 03-18-2007, 04:45 PM

Yea, no more than 200 all in.

Maybe you could have the blasting and the coating done in two different steps. Inform the shop that you want to weld some mounting tabs for something (then have an answer when they ask "What?") That is a "sounds like I know what I'm taking about" kind of reason

Then you can inspect all the factory welds, and test fit different parts.

Discover what you do, and do not, want powder coated. Bearing race bores, bushing bores, engine mount bolt holes, flats that other items fit between, etc.

- Jim

trond · 03-19-2007, 05:59 AM

Powder coating is great. Some of them are difficult to keep clean, I did my wheels and they were hell to keep clean as oil seemed to stick really well. the only way to get it off was by using a wax. The other issue I have had is it is very hard to remove ! If you ever need to get back to the metal, say for a weld job, changing colour or any other reason, you will have to sand it off. No solvents or paint stripper will even touch it. Not even blasting, and forget that if it is aluminium below

ShadyRascal · 03-19-2007, 09:10 AM

Be sure to media-blast the surfaces to be powder coated....not just for paint removal but to give the PC a surface it can "grip" better. Also, check into having them put a clear coat over the color coat...looks nicer lasts longer. Friend of mine does this and a properly done powder coating with that clearcoat (like on a set of ATV a arms) you can smack it with a ball peen hammer and it doesn't chip or flake.

mutineer · 03-24-2007, 08:23 PM

I just dropped off a BMW airhead frame, a subframe, a swingarm and two aluminum wheels and the guy told me it should come in a around $400 to $425

the old BMW airhead "snowflake" wheels used tubes
I am told I can go tubeless after powdercoating which is a completely useless piece of information for you but it makes me happy

Sal Paradise · 04-12-2007, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by comes naturally

I'm done with the tear down of my RZ 350 that I'm rebuilding (write up to follow in old school). It's currently down to the rolling chassis and it's time to start thinking about how I'm going to coat the frame once I strip the paint. I would like to powder coat it. Does anyone know aprox. how much it costs? Also do you normally use someone local?

I'm going to make a trip up to the local hot rod shop as well as the chopper place and ask where they get there stuff done but I would like to have some idea of what I'm talking about before I go.

bout 150 bucks

jeffm · 04-12-2007, 09:41 PM

I got a guzzi loopframe, forks, toolboxes, battery box and a box of misc bits done for 250.00. This included soda blasting and chasing the threads after the fact.

radguzzi · 04-13-2007, 04:15 AM

Yeah, I woulds guess about 200-250 for that frame....
The powdercoat folks should be doing the blasting as well, the guy I use does.
Another consideration is "No paint (or coat) areas" ... the threads and bosses that should not be coated are very important. I have never had my RZ down to a bare frame so I cannot comment on which areas to protect but keep it in mind. I usually have a good consultation with he fellow I use and we do the mark up before I go and it all works out well. He is very used to the Guzzi frames I do mostly anyway....

Nice, looking forward to a good report... are you going through the engine as well...? Go YPVS.... !

Best,
Rob

comes naturally · 04-13-2007, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radguzzi

Yeah, I woulds guess about 200-250 for that frame....
The powdercoat folks should be doing the blasting as well, the guy I use does.
Another consideration is "No paint (or coat) areas" ... the threads and bosses that should not be coated are very important. I have never had my RZ down to a bare frame so I cannot comment on which areas to protect but keep it in mind. I usually have a good consultation with he fellow I use and we do the mark up before I go and it all works out well. He is very used to the Guzzi frames I do mostly anyway....

Nice, looking forward to a good report... are you going through the engine as well...? Go YPVS.... !

Best,
Rob

Yeap, the engine is about half way apart rignt now. I'm still looking for a good machine shop to clean up the tpo end. The motor is coming the rest of the way apart soon. I want to give it a good once over, I don't think the previous owner/owners exactly babbied it.

Where you you get your powdercoating done? I'm willing to drive a bit to get it done right.

radguzzi · 04-13-2007, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by comes naturally

Where you you get your powdercoating done? I'm willing to drive a bit to get it done right.

Ahh, Colorrtech @ The Motorcycle Shop in Maine.... ! http://got-bike.com
I'll ask a couple of guys on the Guzzi board that are in PA where they get their stuff done. Where in SE PA...? Stroudsburg area by chance...?
I think I'll send the RZ engine to RZ's Unlimited when it comes time to do mine.... http://www.rzsunlimited.com prolly just send them the bottom and have the seals and crank bearings done, I really do not want to become a two stroke expert.... plus, I want it to be done right..!

Best,
Rob

03-18-2007, 02:45 PM	#1
comes naturally ^OP renewed hope Joined: Oct 2005 Location: SE PA Oddometer: 1,892	powder coat?? I'm done with the tear down of my RZ 350 that I'm rebuilding (write up to follow in old school). It's currently down to the rolling chassis and it's time to start thinking about how I'm going to coat the frame once I strip the paint. I would like to powder coat it. Does anyone know aprox. how much it costs? Also do you normally use someone local? I'm going to make a trip up to the local hot rod shop as well as the chopper place and ask where they get there stuff done but I would like to have some idea of what I'm talking about before I go.

03-18-2007, 02:59 PM	#2
kellyk7 Who knows Joined: Aug 2005 Location: North West Alabama (The Shoals) Oddometer: 1,746	we have a local powder coater that has an oven big enough to do a full race car frame, we had some gates and such powder coated these were about 800.00 each. I would figure these to be about 4 times the size of a frame on a bike. __________________ There's a fine line between "RED ASS" and "DUMB ASS" "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass... It is about learning how to dance in the rain" - HAWK

03-18-2007, 04:45 PM	#5
Poolside Syndicated Joined: Apr 2003 Location: Long Beach, CA Oddometer: 11,286	Yea, no more than 200 all in. Maybe you could have the blasting and the coating done in two different steps. Inform the shop that you want to weld some mounting tabs for something (then have an answer when they ask "What?") That is a "sounds like I know what I'm taking about" kind of reason Then you can inspect all the factory welds, and test fit different parts. Discover what you do, and do not, want powder coated. Bearing race bores, bushing bores, engine mount bolt holes, flats that other items fit between, etc. - Jim __________________ IICE Air Hotrod your GS Fuel Injection Tech Info Buy Order List

03-24-2007, 08:23 PM	#8
mutineer Raoul Duke Lives Joined: Sep 2003 Location: Eastern Chaingolia Oddometer: 18,824	I just dropped off a BMW airhead frame, a subframe, a swingarm and two aluminum wheels and the guy told me it should come in a around $400 to $425 the old BMW airhead "snowflake" wheels used tubes I am told I can go tubeless after powdercoating which is a completely useless piece of information for you but it makes me happy __________________ "Life is as good as you let it be" - Chain "well . . . it ain't for everybody" - Goonie

04-12-2007, 09:41 PM	#10
jeffm Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Oct 2002 Location: sunny seattle Oddometer: 448	here in seattle I got a guzzi loopframe, forks, toolboxes, battery box and a box of misc bits done for 250.00. This included soda blasting and chasing the threads after the fact.

03-18-2007, 04:25 PM	#3
Rotor-head Adventurer Joined: Oct 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Oddometer: 51	I'm rebuilding a neglected '97 DR650 and have been quoted $150 to powder coat the frame using standard colors they have on the shelf (custom would run extra). This includes grit blasting the frame to remove the old paint and any corrosion. Most powder coaters will (should!) blast the frame so you shouldn't have to strip the paint, I would get all the grease and oil off. My Dad powder coated his '76 Goldwing frame for $200, but it is larger and heavier than the DR frame. For the cost, powder coating is well worth it.

03-18-2007, 04:39 PM	#4
comes naturally ^OP renewed hope Joined: Oct 2005 Location: SE PA Oddometer: 1,892	I also want to do the wheels. Nothing custom. Gloss black on the fram and flat black fro the wheels.

03-19-2007, 05:59 AM	#6
trond Adventurer Joined: Jan 2007 Location: Cairo, Egypt Oddometer: 22	Powder coating is great. Some of them are difficult to keep clean, I did my wheels and they were hell to keep clean as oil seemed to stick really well. the only way to get it off was by using a wax. The other issue I have had is it is very hard to remove ! If you ever need to get back to the metal, say for a weld job, changing colour or any other reason, you will have to sand it off. No solvents or paint stripper will even touch it. Not even blasting, and forget that if it is aluminium below

03-19-2007, 09:10 AM	#7
ShadyRascal Master of None Joined: Feb 2007 Location: the Root, Western Montana Oddometer: 5,054	Be sure to media-blast the surfaces to be powder coated....not just for paint removal but to give the PC a surface it can "grip" better. Also, check into having them put a clear coat over the color coat...looks nicer lasts longer. Friend of mine does this and a properly done powder coating with that clearcoat (like on a set of ATV a arms) you can smack it with a ball peen hammer and it doesn't chip or flake.

04-13-2007, 04:15 AM	#11
radguzzi The Journey is the Reward Joined: Feb 2005 Location: North East USA Oddometer: 5,067	Yeah, I woulds guess about 200-250 for that frame.... The powdercoat folks should be doing the blasting as well, the guy I use does. Another consideration is "No paint (or coat) areas" ... the threads and bosses that should not be coated are very important. I have never had my RZ down to a bare frame so I cannot comment on which areas to protect but keep it in mind. I usually have a good consultation with he fellow I use and we do the mark up before I go and it all works out well. He is very used to the Guzzi frames I do mostly anyway.... Nice, looking forward to a good report... are you going through the engine as well...? Go YPVS.... ! Best, Rob __________________ ________________________ Guzzis and Others... Member: AMA - USCRA - MGNOC http://www.eurobikemaine.org http://www.motogiro-usa.com

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