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Old 10-24-2008, 08:47 AM   #826
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I would also suggest that the rider's weight and perhaps butt shape makes a difference. My girlfriend has said a few times how she prefers the DR200's over her two previous bikes, a KLX650 and XT.

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I have found that when you sit upright your arse and back will eventually scream for relief regardless of the seat.

With a degree of forward lean counterbalanced by your legs you can get an almost weightless arm load and a greatly reduced load through the back down to your arse. Key ingredient here is your seat to peg height vs your inseam. When you have this right you should be able to be in position without loading the bars. Depending on your skeletal specifics, at a certain angle you begin to extend the load to the upper leg as well.

To evaluate ergos; I first try to set my legs at the proper angle and then see where my pelvic points end up (flat dual sport seats are superb for sorting this out, tiered NOT), then it's a matter of where my arms end up.

I just looked at a Wee Strom considering it as a replacement for my sold Dakar. Though it had a gel seat this seat wouldn't work for me. Again, a tiered "bucket" type of seat, YUK! Otherwise, the ergos could be adjusted to suit me.

Also, there is nothing worse than a mushy seat, you need a firm base of support for your pelvis. Women will have a tougher time here with some of the narrow DS seats because of their greater pelvic width.



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Old 10-24-2008, 04:36 PM   #827
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We are all different. Sure weight and shape are factors but by working with firmness and width of saddle/seat they are just other variables.

For those of you that are road cyclists you have a full appreciation of saddle fit and overall bike fit. Motorcycles are no different. To vertically load the spine and arse expecting it to remain without issue for hours is your own call.

By looking at your entire fit you get a better distribution of the loads and less rider fatigue and discomfort. I prefer comfort. Combine that with the ability to move around/stretch out as I ride makes an all day ride just routine.

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Old 10-24-2008, 06:27 PM   #828
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Clutch

What does shiny oil ( like silver powder ) mean? Changed oil 3 times and still has weird sheen. Bikes still running like clutch is half pulled.
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Old 10-24-2008, 08:49 PM   #829
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What does shiny oil ( like silver powder ) mean? Changed oil 3 times and still has weird sheen. Bikes still running like clutch is half pulled.
You have metal in the oil, most likely aluminum if looks like silver powder. See if it sticks to a magnet. It sounds like something in the clutch is coming loose/apart and rubbing the crankcase or clutch cover. Could be cam bearing failure. At any rate nothing good. Don't run it until you find out what's wrong. The contaminated oil could cause other damage.
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Old 10-24-2008, 08:58 PM   #830
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Old 10-24-2008, 08:59 PM   #831
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Old 10-24-2008, 09:53 PM   #832
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You have metal in the oil, most likely aluminum if looks like silver powder. See if it sticks to a magnet. It sounds like something in the clutch is coming loose/apart and rubbing the crankcase or clutch cover. Could be cam bearing failure. At any rate nothing good. Don't run it until you find out what's wrong. The contaminated oil could cause other damage.
Another alternative is that it's wearing the face of the clutch hub. Don't ask me how I know. Even after I'd flushed the flakes out, trying to bed a new set of plates on my galled hub produced a fair bit of silver paste.

I also had an old two-stroke that dropped a couple of clutch bolts on the highway (I'd just bought it, I was riding it home) and that started by slipping under load, but got noisy, *real* quick -- I got 15 minutes towards home, basically, and then spent two hours being driven home by the AA.

Like you say, pull it now and inspect it.
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Old 10-25-2008, 07:07 PM   #833
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Thanks

Thanks for help. I needed someone to tell me the bad news so I could work up the energy to bust it open and stop looking for a easy fix. Weather is almost gone for the year here and the boy don't like riding in the cold. I'll make this a winter project and ride my bike alone for the few remaining weeks left. He's 15 so he can help me and learn to work on his own bike. Thanks again and good riding!
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Old 10-26-2008, 07:57 AM   #834
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Eek

Wow, very serious. Sorry to hear this. Once you have the clutch out, I recommend you flush the engine with kerosene (messy I know) to tease out any other metal bits.

Let us know what you find.

If and when you resolve the clutch issue, you should check the compression and bearing surfaces where you can, i.e. cam, rocker arms, etc... Hopefully the filter caught most of it.


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Thanks for help. I needed someone to tell me the bad news so I could work up the energy to bust it open and stop looking for a easy fix. Weather is almost gone for the year here and the boy don't like riding in the cold. I'll make this a winter project and ride my bike alone for the few remaining weeks left. He's 15 so he can help me and learn to work on his own bike. Thanks again and good riding!
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Old 10-26-2008, 09:48 AM   #835
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Old 10-26-2008, 06:40 PM   #836
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What does it take?!

Ok guys (and gals), you really need to help me to get the best out of this little bike.
After a second round of carb cleaning and new needle valve and adjusting the fuel level the bike now runs fine. It starts, idles and wont bog when getting on gas.
But it feels really soft and gutless when accelerating.

Today I and my partner went riding to the local off-road park, me on my XChallenge and she on the DR. The DR ran fine but it really needs more "punch". There's no "umpf" when you hit the gas on second gear (stock gearing), I think these bikes can do better.

Have you guys shimmed the needle or something?
Bigger main jet?

What does it take to bring this thing to life, as it is it's too weak for tough trails.




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Old 10-28-2008, 08:38 AM   #837
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First off, you need to manage your expectations. The DR200 is never going to wheelie with the carb and compression the way it is.

My girlfriend also rides the DR200;

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...229927&page=53

You can read what I've done to try and put its power in a usable low end to mid range area.

Outside of these changes you can get more power by spending serious money on a higher compression piston, pumper carb, and aftermarket exhaust.

The stumbling block here is the exhaust. I haven't seen an aftermarket set for this bike.

...and to get back on my soap box (sortaspeak) there is a good market for a performance oriented dualsport with a low seat height, but no manufacturer is listening.



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Ok guys (and gals), you really need to help me to get the best out of this little bike.
After a second round of carb cleaning and new needle valve and adjusting the fuel level the bike now runs fine. It starts, idles and wont bog when getting on gas.
But it feels really soft and gutless when accelerating.

Today I and my partner went riding to the local off-road park, me on my XChallenge and she on the DR. The DR ran fine but it really needs more "punch". There's no "umpf" when you hit the gas on second gear (stock gearing), I think these bikes can do better.

Have you guys shimmed the needle or something?
Bigger main jet?

What does it take to bring this thing to life, as it is it's too weak for tough trails.




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Old 10-29-2008, 04:36 PM   #838
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i agree we need some aftermaket support, i mean really how much would it cost to machine some cool parts for us? not nearly as much as the profit they'd make!

i do beg to differ on the wheelies tough, i can pop it up in first and pull off some pretty decent wheelies. its all about hittin the gas at the right time...and having the balls to lean back at the same time. lol
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Old 10-29-2008, 08:54 PM   #839
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Ok guys (and gals), you really need to help me to get the best out of this little bike.
Bigger main jet?

Mikko
the kientech carb kit is the way.

it won't make yer dr200 some bad-ass wheelie machine, but will improve throttle response substantially and give it a little more moxie when you need it.

i don't have the exhaust mod...
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Old 10-30-2008, 11:38 AM   #840
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Well, when I say "wheelie" I mean the type when you blip the throttle and the front end comes up regardless of what you try to do to keep the nose down short of tapping the back brake.


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i agree we need some aftermaket support, i mean really how much would it cost to machine some cool parts for us? not nearly as much as the profit they'd make!

i do beg to differ on the wheelies tough, i can pop it up in first and pull off some pretty decent wheelies. its all about hittin the gas at the right time...and having the balls to lean back at the same time. lol
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