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Old 11-17-2011, 10:13 AM   #10216
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Non-O ring chain.

I rencently installed a new X-ring chain with master link. My old chain was a whole link streached out and floppy as hell. I assumes all the O rings had worn out and disentegrated over time. Took her for a test drive and noticed how much power a stiff new chain ate up. Now after about 500 miles on it it seems like things are back to normal, or at least I am use to the lack of power.

My DR brother is planning on getting a non-O-ring chain next. In fact he says he is planning on getting 2. The price of 2 chains will be about the same as one O-ring chain. Then is plans to swap them out often, having one sit in a bath of kerosen (or similar).

Sounds like a bit more maintance, but not a bad idea. He thinks he will get alot less power rob out of the deal. Sounds like a decent idea. What do you guys think?
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Old 11-17-2011, 11:01 AM   #10217
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Not a DR, but still real-world research on an O-ring chain vs. Non O-ring chain. Very scientific.

Be sure to click the "Sprocket and Chain Wear" link when you get to the bottom. Thats where he compares the two.
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Non-O ring chain.

I rencently installed a new X-ring chain with master link. My old chain was a whole link streached out and floppy as hell. I assumes all the O rings had worn out and disentegrated over time. Took her for a test drive and noticed how much power a stiff new chain ate up. Now after about 500 miles on it it seems like things are back to normal, or at least I am use to the lack of power.

My DR brother is planning on getting a non-O-ring chain next. In fact he says he is planning on getting 2. The price of 2 chains will be about the same as one O-ring chain. Then is plans to swap them out often, having one sit in a bath of kerosen (or similar).

Sounds like a bit more maintance, but not a bad idea. He thinks he will get alot less power rob out of the deal. Sounds like a decent idea. What do you guys think?
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Old 11-17-2011, 11:02 AM   #10218
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Non-O ring chain.

I rencently installed a new X-ring chain with master link. My old chain was a whole link streached out and floppy as hell. I assumes all the O rings had worn out and disentegrated over time. Took her for a test drive and noticed how much power a stiff new chain ate up. Now after about 500 miles on it it seems like things are back to normal, or at least I am use to the lack of power.

My DR brother is planning on getting a non-O-ring chain next. In fact he says he is planning on getting 2. The price of 2 chains will be about the same as one O-ring chain. Then is plans to swap them out often, having one sit in a bath of kerosen (or similar).

Sounds like a bit more maintance, but not a bad idea. He thinks he will get alot less power rob out of the deal. Sounds like a decent idea. What do you guys think?
I've also noticed that the friction of the o-rings does make the chain "stiff". I suppose enough use will loosen things up somewhat, but I doubt it would ever because a loose as a non-oring chain (o-rings must be squeezed at least a little bit in order to be useful as a seal).

As far as I know, no o-ring chain seals the rollers themselves...only the "links". It also isn't like o-ring chains are maintenance free. I doubt I would go to the trouble of keeping a chain soaking in kerosene. I'd be much more likely to use one up and replace it with a new one when the time came.

An actual dyno test both ways would be quite useful :>

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Old 11-17-2011, 11:06 AM   #10219
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There is a slight difference and this is why folks racing 125s never use sealed chains (well this + the weight diff). Imo the extra work and limited life of non-o ring chains make them a silly idea for anything but a dedicated race bike with limited power. When I was racing a 125 in the woods I still used an o-ring chain as the difference was slight in terms of drag and huge in terms of upkeep. When I raced a 125 in outdoor MX I used a non-o ring chain because there power mattered more and maintenance was less of an issue (15 min motos don't wear a bike out that quickly). A good X-ring chain has rather little drag, especially once warm. Try spinning your rear wheel right after a ride, it moves quite nicely. They'll be a little stiff when cold and just starting out, but loosen right up as the seals and grease gets warm.

I have noted a difference in stiffness between O-ring and X-ring chains with X-ring chains moving more easily.

I find it rather odd to put a high maintenance race chain on the heavy, slow, old, otherwise low-maintenance DR.
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Old 11-17-2011, 11:10 AM   #10220
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Imo the extra work and limited life of non-o ring chains make them a silly idea for anything but a dedicated race bike with limited power.
MHO as well.
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Old 11-17-2011, 11:23 AM   #10221
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MHO as well.
Agreed.
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Old 11-17-2011, 11:35 AM   #10222
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'99 dr350

Hey guys, I came across a pretty decent deal on a '99 DR350.

It's in great cosmetic shape, I'd just need to replace the rear sprocket and the clutch. Sprocket doesn't worry me, but can anyone chime in with info on replacing the clutch? Is it a complete PITA?

Thanks!
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Old 11-17-2011, 11:48 AM   #10223
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...on the heavy, slow, old, otherwise low-maintenance DR.
Oh you didn't jsut say that about our beloved iron steed
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Old 11-17-2011, 12:04 PM   #10224
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Hey guys, I came across a pretty decent deal on a '99 DR350.

It's in great cosmetic shape, I'd just need to replace the rear sprocket and the clutch. Sprocket doesn't worry me, but can anyone chime in with info on replacing the clutch? Is it a complete PITA?

Thanks!
Both are pretty easy if you have turned wrenches before. You might get lucky and only need new clutch springs. My 99 had a slipping clutch when I got it and all the plates were in spec but the springs at set and weren't quite strong enough anymore. Just get a clutch cover gasket before you even start.
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Old 11-17-2011, 03:03 PM   #10225
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+1 on the O ring chains vs non O rings.

I finally got my new to me 95 DR350se running correctly, the Carb was dirty and running very rich and it was a float issue, seems the poor language translation in the shop manual was throwing me off and the previous person at the dealership who supposedly serviced this carb didn't have a clue.

One thing I can't find in the 200+ page shop manual is the correct way to check the engine oil level, do you test it with the dip stick sitting "on" the filler port or screwed all the way into the filler cap?

I'm far more familiar with Hondas and you check them with the dip stick sitting on the filler port, not screwed all the way in.


While I am at it I need a Original Right Side Mirror, the one that is on the bike has been changed and just looks odd with the left side being original.

Thanks
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Old 11-17-2011, 03:10 PM   #10226
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. . . One thing I can't find in the 200+ page shop manual is the correct way to check the engine oil level, do you test it with the dip stick sitting "on" the filler port or screwed all the way into the filler cap?
Run bike until engine is warmed up. Shut the bike off, wait a minute, insert dip stick - do not screw dip stick in to check oil level.
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Old 11-17-2011, 03:16 PM   #10227
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Thanks, the manual was clear on everything except the dip stick position.

I am also looking for a good Mud Guard that attaches to the back side of the air box.
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Old 11-17-2011, 04:08 PM   #10228
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There is a slight difference and this is why folks racing 125s never use sealed chains (well this + the weight diff). Imo the extra work and limited life of non-o ring chains make them a silly idea for anything but a dedicated race bike with limited power. When I was racing a 125 in the woods I still used an o-ring chain as the difference was slight in terms of drag and huge in terms of upkeep. When I raced a 125 in outdoor MX I used a non-o ring chain because there power mattered more and maintenance was less of an issue (15 min motos don't wear a bike out that quickly). A good X-ring chain has rather little drag, especially once warm. Try spinning your rear wheel right after a ride, it moves quite nicely. They'll be a little stiff when cold and just starting out, but loosen right up as the seals and grease gets warm.

I have noted a difference in stiffness between O-ring and X-ring chains with X-ring chains moving more easily.

I find it rather odd to put a high maintenance race chain on the heavy, slow, old, otherwise low-maintenance DR.
BP, I see you post up on a wide varity of topics here on ADV. You sure seem to know something about everything. I always read what you have to say, even if the topic doesn't intrest me.

Thanks for taking the time to share your experences...

OK, I'm done kissing your ass....
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Old 11-17-2011, 04:44 PM   #10229
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Non-O ring chain.

I rencently installed a new X-ring chain with master link. My old chain was a whole link streached out and floppy as hell. I assumes all the O rings had worn out and disentegrated over time. Took her for a test drive and noticed how much power a stiff new chain ate up. Now after about 500 miles on it it seems like things are back to normal, or at least I am use to the lack of power.

My DR brother is planning on getting a non-O-ring chain next. In fact he says he is planning on getting 2. The price of 2 chains will be about the same as one O-ring chain. Then is plans to swap them out often, having one sit in a bath of kerosen (or similar).

Sounds like a bit more maintance, but not a bad idea. He thinks he will get alot less power rob out of the deal. Sounds like a decent idea. What do you guys think?
Go to dirt tricks website and read their awsome article on chain wear and o ring vs. non.
Basicly, there is no power loss on an o ring chain and a non o ring chain won't save you any money unless you only ride on the street in clean conditions,and they explain exactly why.
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Old 11-17-2011, 07:26 PM   #10230
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BP, I see you post up on a wide varity of topics here on ADV. You sure seem to know something about everything. I always read what you have to say, even if the topic doesn't intrest me.

Thanks for taking the time to share your experences...

OK, I'm done kissing your ass....
Hey Garth what are you doing here? Do you even own a dr these days. . ?
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