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Spoked wheels on a 1985-1995 Monolever rear drive
Spoked wheels on a 1985-1995 Monolever rear drive
Full recognition for the idea and KUDOS go the the Bauer brothers in Germany who performed and published this procedure first (here is their website, only few pics) You arrived here for one of the following reasons:
The easiest way to approach the rear wheel conversion is using a 1988-1995 paralever (R80GS, R100GS, R80R, R100R) rear wheel. ![]() I have marked the area of concern with the red arrow. How does that show when you mount the GS/R rear hub to the monolever rear drive: ![]() In my case, 21.5mm of the inner hub had to come off. I gave the job to my local machinist Rich, and he took excellent care of it. I won't bore you with any details, just because I don't have any: ![]() ![]() ![]() Now, in order to be able to use this wheel again on a paralever hub, I had Rich machine a spacer: ![]() ![]() ![]() That took care of just the hub fitting to the final drive. The second before last thing you need are the 4 monolever wheel bolts (should you not already have them). ![]() Now, the most important part is to make sure, that whatever tire size you're going to use is not rubbing at the swing arm. For a "standard" say 1987 R80 Monolever conversion, the rim has to be laced approx. 10mm off center. My case is the conversion of a Paralever GS to a monolever. I would like to use 130-80/17 street tires or 50/50 to 70/30 knobbies, so I had some fellow riders check on tire width: I took a couple of measurements of the new hub when installed. Assuming a safe 2-3mm clearance between rubber and swingarm, I have assumed a 140mm wide tire as maximun and therefore have the rim laced 15mm off-center to the left. I had Richard fabricate a 2mm shim, just in case the tires vary in width. But one can always use a knife to cut some rubber off. I will consider a 30-50mm swingarm extension to the monolever swingarm as the paralever swingarm is 30mm (measured from swingarm pivot bolts to final drive center) longer than the monolever: 420mm vs. 450mm. I have collected some more measurements associated with the difference between Monolever and Paralever: http://www.stephenbottcher.net/BMW/R...dimensions.xls.
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Some of the above is fact, some is fiction, some is my personal imagination and some is just simple truth. [me] ... i'm not touring around the world, but neither are most of the guys i see running overloaded spam cans ... [bmwblake] Stephen Bottcher Ontario, Canada '90 R100G/S '72 R75/5 The Blues www.stephenbottcher.net Last edited by StephenB : 05-24-2009 at 03:28 PM. Reason: Misleading Title |
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hors piste
Joined: Oct 2004
Location: "Poughkeepsie?!?!"
Oddometer: 9,100
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Excellent, thorough write up. Great visual aides. I give it an 8.5 or a 9. Whats it look like all ftted up?
I really like the idea of making the paralever into a monolever. Bulletproof rear diff, and easier to make longer, correct? |
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Stagehand,
I won't have it all together before next year's riding season. Just imagine a completely refurbished Woody Y-laced GS wheel on a monolever final drive. It'll look as if it was designed that way! Extending a monolever looks easier, I have an "appointment " with my machinist tomorrow to have initial discussions and to bounce some ideas off each other. Stephen
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Some of the above is fact, some is fiction, some is my personal imagination and some is just simple truth. [me] ... i'm not touring around the world, but neither are most of the guys i see running overloaded spam cans ... [bmwblake] Stephen Bottcher Ontario, Canada '90 R100G/S '72 R75/5 The Blues www.stephenbottcher.net Last edited by StephenB : 07-20-2007 at 05:10 PM. |
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Adventurer
Joined: Jul 2007
Location: England
Oddometer: 29
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Hi guys! can any other wire spoked wheel be used on a Mono bevel drive like this one. I can see why you have used a paralever wheel because you had one but as I haven't is there anything I can get that will fit straight on?
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You'd need the 4-bolt GS/R hub no matter what and whatever Woody or Buchanans can lace to it.
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Some of the above is fact, some is fiction, some is my personal imagination and some is just simple truth. [me] ... i'm not touring around the world, but neither are most of the guys i see running overloaded spam cans ... [bmwblake] Stephen Bottcher Ontario, Canada '90 R100G/S '72 R75/5 The Blues www.stephenbottcher.net |
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Beemerholics Anonymous
Joined: Jul 2002
Location: Scenic Jackson's Bottom, Oregon USA
Oddometer: 4,643
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What a great idea! I just wish there was another way to do this without offsetting the rim. If 1/2" less were machined off the hub the brake shoes wouldn't mate up. Had you looked into other solutions to that problem?
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No, I haven't looked and there are only so many BMW spoked wheels/hubs out there. I don't think you can solve it differently. Jon-Lars did the same on his converted GS with the original 3-bolt hub.
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Some of the above is fact, some is fiction, some is my personal imagination and some is just simple truth. [me] ... i'm not touring around the world, but neither are most of the guys i see running overloaded spam cans ... [bmwblake] Stephen Bottcher Ontario, Canada '90 R100G/S '72 R75/5 The Blues www.stephenbottcher.net |
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n00b
Joined: Jun 2007
Oddometer: 5
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Hi!
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On a Monolever the wheels look like this: ![]() Alexander |
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Beemerholics Anonymous
Joined: Jul 2002
Location: Scenic Jackson's Bottom, Oregon USA
Oddometer: 4,643
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Adventurer
Joined: Jul 2007
Location: England
Oddometer: 29
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I've been asking on my local bike forums about wheel lacing and its a lost art over here in the UK. Mag wheels have been out for 30 years and no one wanted spokes. Might be different in the USA with Harleys being so popular.
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Hi Alex,
nice of you to chime in. After all it was your idea! Quote:
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Some of the above is fact, some is fiction, some is my personal imagination and some is just simple truth. [me] ... i'm not touring around the world, but neither are most of the guys i see running overloaded spam cans ... [bmwblake] Stephen Bottcher Ontario, Canada '90 R100G/S '72 R75/5 The Blues www.stephenbottcher.net |
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Sleutel 10
Joined: Jan 2007
Location: The Hague, NL
Oddometer: 35
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Why not use an R65G/S or R80G/S hub (3 bolt holes) and a R80GS/R100GS rim respoked to each other? Or any other 40 spoke rim. (I want a 4.25x17 rear...) ![]()
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Because you would have the additional expense of buying a 3-bolt final drive in case you are aiming for the described 4-bolt monolever cast to spoked wheel conversion. If you had a G/S already you can lace almost anything to that hub ... within reason that is. 3.25x17 doesn't seem excessive.
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Some of the above is fact, some is fiction, some is my personal imagination and some is just simple truth. [me] ... i'm not touring around the world, but neither are most of the guys i see running overloaded spam cans ... [bmwblake] Stephen Bottcher Ontario, Canada '90 R100G/S '72 R75/5 The Blues www.stephenbottcher.net |
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n00b
Joined: Jun 2007
Oddometer: 5
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Hi!
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The 80 G/S had two version 10:32 and 11:37. 10:32 is rarely seen (most of them on ST). IMHO not the thing you are looking for a 100cc BMW. I did the conversion because I wanted spokes. Cast Y-wheels IMHO look wrong on such a bike: ![]() OK, it needs paint .... Alexander |
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VERY easily distracted!
Joined: Jan 2006
Location: Scottish borders
Oddometer: 70
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Does this make sense?
To utilise the stiffness of a mono arm and use spokes, how about turning the arm into a twinshock type arm, ie. Double sided but single shocked. This way you could use various twinshock bevels, easier wheel finding.
Downside is loosing easy wheel removal and extra weight. Someone said that HPN does this for strength. The offset of r100r wheel, how does the alignment with the front work out? |
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