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Old 06-15-2007, 06:27 PM   #16
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Looks good so far. After the road test to Alaska of almost 8000 miles I think it was a great upgrade.
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Old 06-15-2007, 06:57 PM   #17
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yeah...definately gonna be an awesome masterpiece....with the commitments and hard work,its worth it...
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Old 06-16-2007, 05:49 AM   #18
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Old 06-16-2007, 06:53 PM   #19
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Wow, lots of replies on here. Keep the questions coming, I will try my best to answer all of them. If I miss one, just post it again.

As far as the bike goes, it's a bit of a busy weekend. On top of that I forgot the camera at home , so new pics will have to wait a day or two. The front wheel is in, the engine is back together with a new base gasket and I have trial fitted a 18" rear wheel out of a KTM EXC. It looks like it might fit without too many mods. Axle diameter is the same, and even the brake disc lines up with the DR caliper. It does have a 220mm rotor vs. the DRs 240mm, so the pad doesn't sweep the whole disc. Anybody know the size of the LC4 rear disc? If I get this to work with new spacers only, it would be great for me as there are lots of used KTM parts and wheels available over here.

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I am more interested to see if you can shave off any significant weight. I imagine wheels and suspension are the best opportunities for that. Any guesses from fellow advriders on what the weight savings might be from a project like this?
Unfortunately there isn't that much weight to loose for a DR. I am hoping for a good 10 kgs or so. Check out Max Kool's old bike, it was very well set up and close to what I am shooting for with the finished product. I will post weight comparisons of stock vs changed out parts in the first post, so keep checking there.

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USD forks weigh more than the stock stuff.
Lukas.....nice bike you are building!
Thanks! The forks do seem heavier, they are about 12,5kgs with the tripples and the axle. My stock one has a wheel in it and is stored in the basement, so if somebody knows the weight post it here and I will put it in the post.

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Darn, so besides the usual exhaust weight savings, would the wheels be anything dramatic? As a crazed mtn biker I know the beneifts of losing weight at the wheel. But haven't read anything here about folks upgrading wheels on motos for weight so I imagine the cost is too high for the little gains.
The stock DR rims are DID which are good and even came on some year KTMs. Excel is known for their strength-to-weight ratio, but I doubt that it will be very noticeable. Not like a supersport bike where you can save over half the weight by going to Carbon on magnesium wheels...

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Lukas, how about the 670 bore kit? I know no one has praised any performance gain, but sure would make your rebuild more than everything around the engine.
I am pretty sure I will keep the engine stock. I have a track bike for going fast and my utmost importance for this bike is reliability (travel, Africa etc), or I would have bought a KTM in the first place (had a LC4 engine grenade on me already)... Pretty much all of the changes I am making should primarily make the bike more reliable, while hopefully also improving performance.

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Nice frame work too. Looks sweet, too bad we don't have carbon fiber protectors for the DR, although that would be like lipstick on the pig so to speak.
I definitely will do something with frame covers. You can see the damage boots and falls will have on the paint in this area in the first post, and I don't want to strip it back down again later. I actually thought about CF covers and might make them if I find the time. Or I could just do something with ABS plastic. Could you just cut out the rough shape and then mold it over the frame tubes with a heat gun, then maybe strap them down with cable ties? Has anybody tried that?
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Old 06-16-2007, 08:24 PM   #20
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Watching this space... This could be epic- first watching the build-up of the machine, then reading the ride report about the adventure .
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Old 06-17-2007, 07:27 AM   #21
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... It looks like it might fit without too many mods. Axle diameter is the same, and even the brake disc lines up with the DR caliper. It does have a 220mm rotor vs. the DRs 240mm, so the pad doesn't sweep the whole disc. Anybody know the size of the LC4 rear disc? If I get this to work with new spacers only, it would be great for me as there are lots of used KTM parts and wheels available over here.
My 2001 LC4-A has a 220mm rear disc. Sorry.
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Old 06-17-2007, 08:25 AM   #22
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watching this thread too. I have been waiting to see a buildup of the DR just to see the possibilities. Even more, I want to see a ride report after the bike is done..
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Old 06-17-2007, 09:14 AM   #23
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The KTM twins use 240mm rear disks, I don't know if they use the same hub as the LC4 though...

And so does the new 690 Supermoto.
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Old 06-17-2007, 11:49 AM   #24
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Old 06-17-2007, 12:40 PM   #25
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Bookmarked...

Nice job. I'll be following this thread.


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Old 06-17-2007, 10:37 PM   #26
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Old 06-19-2007, 05:37 AM   #27
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You really need some guards for that bike.

http://www.motorcycleproducts.org/Ne...50_guards.html

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So I am finally starting my next project. I would like to share this with you guys and hope to inspire some of the less mechanically inclined ones. It should help people working on their DR's as well as show you what NOT to do as I am sure to make plenty of mistakes.

The bike is a 96 DR650SE (except for a gasket the exact same thing Suzuki is still selling today) that I bought last winter real cheap. I plan on doing a trip from Vienna - Capetown down East Africa sometime this fall. I thought it would be a smart idea to really get to know the bike, replace all the wear items and improve some of the DRs weaker areas.

The plan includes the following upgrades:

Wheels:
Excel 21" front and 18" rear wheels for offroad
Excel 17" front and rear for supermoto
Front brakes:
Brembo 2 piston with 300mm rotor, 13mm (?) MC for offroad
Brembo 4 piston with 320mm, 16mm (?) MC for supermoto

WP 43 USD Forks with 20mm offset, custom valving and external preload-adjusters
Pro Taper Easton 28mm bars
Ufo hand guards with aluminum inserts
KTM EXC switches
Touratech IMO 100R300 with switches
Garmin 60CSX GPS with Touratech mount
IMS tank (and later Safari)
Wilbers rear shock
Hepco & Becker luggage rack
SW-Motech quick release side racks
Replace worn bearings, regrease
Metal base gasket
Holeshot Performance header
Aftermarket exhaust (probably LeoVince)
Dynojet kit

Also, since I have a scale in the garage and somewhat of an obsession with weight (being a wannabe racer), I will keep a running tab of the part weights as I add them to the bike. Maybe they will help someone who is trying to get the weight down to something more off-road worthy:

Frame (helmet lock yet to be taken off): 16 kg
Wilbers Shock: 3,4 kg
WP 43 Forks with triple and handlebar mount: 12,5 kg
Stock engine with oil and oil cooler: ~50kgs!
21" complete Excel front wheel with tire (90% thread): 9,1 kg
IMS Tank, plastic cap, petcock: 2,9 kg (I read somewhere that stock is 4,5 kg)
Left side case saver: 0,1 kg
Ufo hand guards: 0,6 kg
Wiring harness: 1,1 kg
Stock Pegs: 1,1 kg
Sidestand: 0,6 kg
Throttle tube with cables: 0,4 kg
Front MC: 0,4 kg

Removed:
Plastic undertail: 0,7 kg
Rear handles: 0,75 kg
Sidestand safety switch: 0,1 kg
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Old 06-19-2007, 08:46 AM   #28
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Nice products, but what this, and ALL DR's need is a quality set of crashbars, which I have yet to see. The low-slung "engine guards" [what they should properly be called] are only slightly effective for the engine and are downright dangerous for everything else as they cause the bike to roll right over on the tank, handlebars, etc [ask me how I know...].


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You really need some guards for that bike.

http://www.motorcycleproducts.org/Ne...50_guards.html

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Old 06-19-2007, 10:28 AM   #29
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Awesome thread. Can't wait to see the progress.

LOTS OF PICTURES PLEASE!
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Old 06-21-2007, 07:12 PM   #30
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You really need some guards for that bike.

http://www.motorcycleproducts.org/Ne...50_guards.html

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Perry,

I am proud to say that I own the only one of your case savers in Austria (at least as far as I know)!
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