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Old 05-17-2008, 04:18 AM   #1651
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2 cents worth....

I claim ignorance in this topic, but it would seem to me that the default value would be "no-go" or the famed "EWS" warning. Activation merely steps the system into a "run-capable" mode. If you deactivate the system you would fall back to default "no-go". I don't think this is what we're looking for.
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Old 05-17-2008, 12:56 PM   #1652
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Just returned from my dealer and I told him that I was riding to Alaska in three weeks. First thing out of his mouth was "Do you have a spare ring antenna?" I told him yes and he said good because they have had a rash of failures lately. BMW knows this is a problem that is not going away!
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Old 05-17-2008, 05:10 PM   #1653
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Forget the pundits. Read what the BMW factory has to say.
Maybe the dealer is unaware of the EWS system capabilities. Maybe they are also unaware of the EWS manual override built into the GT1 software.

Everyone is un aware of a manual override. How could you mention it without stating what it is????
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Old 05-17-2008, 05:19 PM   #1654
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It is a well designed cash cow accessory sale. With plenty of willing buyers who see making a purchase as easier than confronting the source.

Plus there's some cost-benefit risk involved, which adds to the badass adventure experience. Roadside repair fireside stories and all that.

An expert stroke is to lower the retail price of the accessory into the sweet spot of the price vs. sales curve. You are just numbers in an equation.


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Old 05-17-2008, 08:23 PM   #1655
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Fact or Rumor?

This was on "Brake Line Recall" thread [sweet huh?]:

Originally Posted by LKYPHL
When booking my '06 in last week for the brakeline recall here in Oz, the reception bloke said "Good timing, we've just received a new recall notice for the ignition ring antenna", which they replaced as well.
There you go #2 !


OK, USA BMW Dealers is this true? Fact or Rumor?
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Old 05-18-2008, 08:10 AM   #1656
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EWS and me.....

This past week in WV:

3 2007 R1200GS motorcycles from MA on a one week trip to ride WV, VA and more based at Snowshoe, WV

2 EWS Failures ( 2 different bikes 2 days apart )

I have a spare which we use on the first bike....the dealer we go to has none in stock for warranty, but comes through with overnight replacement in case we need another....great service at Hammersley in VA.

Second bike...BMW Roadside Assistance....Sorry you are on your own...we don't have anyone in that area under contract. 9 Hours on the side of the road while my buddies ride to get another from the overnight at Hammersley....can't say enough good things about them. Also I met some very helpful people in Richwood,WV. Thank you Four Season's Outfitters.

Yes, I immediately called BMW on North America....I had 9 hours... they were polite and agreed that was unacceptable...I have not heard anything back...THEY PROMISED....the letters will be sent this week!!!

The day got better as I pushed the bike (cooled down by now ) to the gas station next door...in case I got it started... which happened to have a faulty pump nozzle...no notice...which sent a plume of fuel over the bike...they made me pay for the extra gas on the ground and clean up. All the locals knew about it!! We road home through the mountains around 9:30 PM at which I had a close encounter with a large deer....very close...she will be easy to recognize...it says Conti Trail Attack on her left side. I have never been face to face with a live deer before....they have very pretty eyes...I wonder what she thought??. No real harm done...I really love ABS. The hot tub and the bar made everything better at the Inn at Snowshoe.

Back to Hammersley for the third time...6+ hour round trip plus service time.... in three days...for warranty replacement.....nice twisty roads on the way to Lynchburg.

Another motorcycling adventure....all in all it was still a great time.
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Old 05-18-2008, 08:12 AM   #1657
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You only needed 1 replacement antenna between the 3 of you.. start the bike, and then plug it into the next one start it and so on. It doesn't need to be there once the bike is started.
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Old 05-18-2008, 08:19 AM   #1658
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Just returned from a 4 day 1800 mile trip. Had #247 installed after EWS failure...in April. 40+ starts! Maybe the magic bullit...? (all without a safety net!)
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Old 05-18-2008, 10:25 AM   #1659
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Thumb I knew that...

When the dealer didn't have any in stock and a long way to get there....I gave my spare up to my riding buddy for a warranty replacement. Knowing that we would have another one at the hotel in the AM two days later....overnight from Lynchburg....we were not worried. Who knew another EWS would fail??? The odds seemed to be in our favor. We all carry them now....especially since the price has been cut in half.

I am more annoyed with BMW Roadside Assistance!!!
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Old 05-18-2008, 10:52 AM   #1660
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We all carry them now....especially since the price has been cut in half.

I am more annoyed with BMW Roadside Assistance!!!
BMW sends along their thanks, and butters their bread with your annoyance.


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Old 05-18-2008, 11:20 AM   #1661
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Hello Out There..

Hey any BMW dealers still on this thread? How about the reported BMW antenna recall in Australia? Fact or fiction?
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Old 05-18-2008, 03:23 PM   #1662
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Hey any BMW dealers still on this thread? How about the reported BMW antenna recall in Australia? Fact or fiction?
I take it to be impossible to prove the non-existence of a thing.

That said, there is at this time no recall in the USA on the ring antenna. I have no special access to recall information for non-US markets including Australia.

I believe that failure of a vehicle to start does not and should not fall under the safety umbrella of the recall system in place in the USA. I do not expect to see any recalls launched by any vehicle manufacturer for such a failure. I could (obviously) be wrong.
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Old 05-18-2008, 04:55 PM   #1663
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I agree with Dave. Failure to start is not a safety issue, (unless you are in a bad neighborhood or someplace you shouldn't be with someone you shouldn't be with!) but this is one of those things that BMW knows is bad but, like teeth, will ignore and it will go away. They will likely someday, very quietly, change the harness, change the compnents or otherwise re-engineer das engineering and just plain not tell anybody!
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Old 05-18-2008, 05:23 PM   #1664
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I agree with Dave. Failure to start is not a safety issue
I couldn't disagree more. I'd take a bad neighborhood over a 50 mile hike out of the mountains anytime.
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Old 05-18-2008, 06:41 PM   #1665
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Ok I Know This Is Tongue-In-Cheek..

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I agree with Dave. Failure to start is not a safety issue, (unless you are in a bad neighborhood or someplace you shouldn't be with someone you shouldn't be with!) but this is one of those things that BMW knows is bad but, like teeth, will ignore and it will go away. They will likely someday, very quietly, change the harness, change the compnents or otherwise re-engineer das engineering and just plain not tell anybody!
Look the recall first of all should be made by BMW not as a safety issue but to correct a faulty product they sold [and continue to sell to us as new bikes and antenna] to the persons who purchased their bikes that are getting stranding with the EWS. This is not an "it doesn't fall under the purview of the Federal standards" that is a spurious herring.

To philosophize that you can't prove the non-existence of a recall is a silly statement, I guess made to entertain. If BMW issues a recall for antenna, it will not be exclusively based on whether you live in Australia or BFE. The question still is whether or not BMW has a recall initiated on the antenna. But I know the BMW to dealer dedicated phone line is not to be used for such unimportant inquries.

Is the stranding of a rider with a non-functional bike touted for use as an "adventure" bike a safety issue? Of course it can be. When the bike will not start due to a component failure and the rider is stranded their safety can most certainly be in jeopardy. Not everyone only rides on freeways and within reach of 58 cell towers. Of course just like riding in the 'bad neighborhoods' perhaps we GS and GSA riders should not be allowed to travel alone and out of cell range.
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