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Old 07-05-2007, 04:01 PM   #226
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This is what I like to see! Two good people working it out!

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Old 07-05-2007, 04:01 PM   #227
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YOU might want to organize a GROUP BUY for the ring antenna?


I hate to think that I'd need one, but since the antenna can go without any advance warning leaving me stranded in some remote location, or close to home but with the antenna on backorder, maybe if we can get a head count of how many are willing to buy one, a group buy might be a good idea.
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:03 PM   #228
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I hate to think that I'd need one, but since the antenna can go without any advance warning leaving me stranded in some remote location, or close to home but with the antenna on backorder, maybe if we can get a head count of how many are willing to buy one, a group buy might be a good idea.
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and some nice pictures to go along with that excellent description above of how to utilize it "in the field"
sounds like a great idea
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:06 PM   #229
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I hate to think that I'd need one, but since the antenna can go without any advance warning leaving me stranded in some remote location, or close to home but with the antenna on backorder, maybe if we can get a head count of how many are willing to buy one, a group buy might be a good idea.

It's really not that common, you figure out of 400 plus units we've sold with BMSK/can bus and serviced over 1000 plus unique BMSK equipped bikes and we have only had 4 EWS issues that I am aware of (less then 1% opposed to approximately 4+% FD failure). One of those happened to my riding buddy who I was with, I gave him my HP2 and waited for the pickup truck and had to ride home from the Cherohala squashed up in a regular cab truck with Ma/Pa that day, oh well. Funny thing was it started right back up once we unloaded it from the truck, it was an intermitant failure with the antennae and was a really unique case.
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:21 PM   #230
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I don't know how true this is, but my dealer says he's had a handful of EWS issues to replace, 3 were a defective antenna and one or two were a defective key. He says the key symptoms are intermittent, as you describe in your above post. I find it hard to believe that the key can go bad

Bobby: If there's enough interest, would you be willing to order 5 or 10 atennae, prepayed of course?
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:31 PM   #231
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I don't know how true this is, but my dealer says he's had a handful of EWS issues to replace, 3 were a defective antenna and one or two were a defective key. He says the key symptoms are intermittent, as you describe in your above post. I find it hard to believe that the key can go bad

Bobby: If there's enough interest, would you be willing to order 5 or 10 atennae, prepayed of course?
I am sure we can work something out, PM me when you're ready. They are starting to come off back order now, I think there was more panic frenzy with the back order issue rather then a couple hundred defective antennae sitting on bikes at dealers waiting for them.
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:45 PM   #232
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Thanks Bobby! Great info - as always.
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Old 07-05-2007, 05:05 PM   #233
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I cant take it any more. Would somebuddy please search the internet on how an imobalizer works and educate your selfs. The 'antenna' is just a coil of wire that a small curent is passed though- the sesult, you guest it, a magnetic field! This exites the chip in the key thus transponding a rolling code to the body modual. if correct code [valid key] engine mobalized. Simple. this system is currently in abuot 10 million veh. If in a bind, my money says that you could wire in an 'antenna' from a ford escort if you had to!
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Old 07-05-2007, 05:07 PM   #234
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I cant take it any more. Would somebuddy please search the internet on how an imobalizer works and educate your selfs. The 'antenna' is just a coil of wire that a small curent is passed though- the sesult, you guest it, a magnetic field! This exites the chip in the key thus transponding a rolling code to the body modual. if correct code [valid key] engine mobalized. Simple. this system is currently in abuot 10 million veh. If in a bind, my money says that you could wire in an 'antenna' from a ford escort if you had to!
you might be right
but our beloved BMW has a long history of making its part very INcompatible with those of any other manufacturer... whether they should or not
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Old 07-05-2007, 05:09 PM   #235
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Mongo know. Mongo make antenna with piece of wire. Need picture of connector.


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Old 07-05-2007, 05:19 PM   #236
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Mongo know. Mongo make antenna with piece of wire. Need picture of connector.

Jim Here is your Perfect Business Oportunity, Go into that GeekLab of yours and figure out a way to Bipass, disable, improve whatever it takes that stupid sistem..

I'm sure you can manage, you just need to Do IT....!!!!!!
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Old 07-05-2007, 05:24 PM   #237
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well, it certainly lives up to it's name!!!
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Old 07-05-2007, 05:24 PM   #238
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Jim Here is your Perfect Business Oportunity, Go into that GeekLab of yours and figure out a way to Bipass, disable, improve whatever it takes that stupid sistem..

I'm sure you can manage, you just need to Do IT....!!!!!!
you'll sell plenty to all of us.... i'm sure
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Old 07-05-2007, 05:51 PM   #239
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Jim, here is your Perfect Business Opportunity, Go into that GeekLab of yours and figure out a way to Bypass, disable, improve whatever it takes that stupid system..
You know I would have if it were possible. The RFID protocol is very secure.

A spare antenna though, is straightforward.


Technical Info:

You know the 'Smart Card' credit cards with the little gold connector on it? Well maybe consider RFID as sort of a 'wireless' Smart Card.

RFID does not send and receive as as much data as a Smart Card of course, but for ID and and a little data uploaded to the transponder, it's perfect.

Package tracking for example. Each time the package passes an antenna, a time stamp can be uploaded to the package tag. At the package destination the time stamps on the package tag can be read. This way the course of the package is known, but a communication networked isn't needed.

In '91 if I remember, I had a Texas Instruments (or maybe HP) "Batteryless Transponder" development kit. That was what they were called. It wasn't an industry standard 'RFID' like it is now, it was brand new. The transponder was embedded into a glass prescription-drug sized capsule. I was pitching an animal tagging program to the Department of Wildlife.

One of the tracking vectors had them placed inside salmon, which would end inside bears.


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Old 07-05-2007, 06:05 PM   #240
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Here's some operational EWS information. It's important.

Many EWS systems, including BMW, have an additional security feature built into the EWS software inside the ECU.

If an incorrect ignition key is inserted into the lock and turned, a lock-out countdown timer starts. The lock-out prevents the correct key from working for some amount of time. The lock-out time is programmable in the ECU software by the factory diagnostic equipment. In some vehicles the lock-out time can be as long as 21 hours.

And a potential kicker, sometimes the countdown clock only runs with the correct key in the ignition, and the ignition turned on.

More often, the lock-out time is only programmed to a couple of minutes. And it usually requires the correct key in the ignition and the ignition turned on.


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