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Old 07-18-2008, 09:40 AM   #2821
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Steve...do as I do in my shop..my '07 GSA is always on the BMW [expensive but it works] battery charger pluged into the power outlet behind seat..or it is being ridden!
I have the semi expensive BMW charger, you know, it's the one that the Can-bus system tells to pound sand, hooked directly to the very black battery right now. BTW, when I bought my RT in 05 I purchased that charger from my dealer because it is supposed to work through the Can-bus.
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Old 07-18-2008, 09:44 AM   #2822
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Hi Phil,
Just thought I interject some comments re: batteries and chargers. I have the expensive one and don't use it at all. It's a shortcoming on my part in that I just don't trust the handshaking with the CAN-bus being consistent. Also, JVB has f*ed up my head (as have others) that leaving the bike on a charger is nonsense if you ride regularly, which we do in FL

I recently came back from a two week road trip and found the battery in my '07 ADV tits up! (garage talk for NFG). Trekked[the bad battery] it to BMW Daytona and was informed that yup, it's NFG. I was also told the black ones (mine was black) were failing a lot more than gray ones They gave me a gray one. So, back to JVB and my Deltran Battery Tenders that are supposed to stop sulfation a la float charge, blah, blah. Did I fry the battery? Hmmmm? Good question, likely will never know for sure. So have compromised my regimen, I now only wait until the Battery Tender renders a glowing green/full-charge and I disconnect the damn things. Thanks Jim, for screwing with my head!

And I offer the following comment that I did not originate: With a small enough data sample one can prove just about anything!
Following the protocol of hooking up the BMW battery charger for use of the outlet and with "Glass Matt" batteries I have never had any problems with the initiation ["hand shake"..it is very simple] or having the charger run the battery through the correct charging sequences...nothing against any other brands but the BMW sequencing charger flat works....but I do know that using an incorrect charger or allowing them to totally discharge can ruin the battery.

So far it is working great for me..
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Old 07-18-2008, 09:50 AM   #2823
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Nope, possibly a Euro requirement, but not mandated here.

It might be changing, but BMW theft here was very tiny.

The people looking for used parts are so anal about where they come from and the history of how it was used that it is too much trouble to move used parts. (I think thats a good thing) Like I said that might be changing.


Sportbikes are stolen here just for their bodywork. HDs are hard to hold onto as well.
Regardless of how many bikes gets stolen, and regaardles of whetehr we here or you there like it, according to documents posted here a few thousand posts ago by the Honorable Mr. Poolside, a theft-prevention system has been made mandatory by DoT. BMW complied. We on the Old Continent are not pleased.

On another note: Calling the Honorable Mr. Poolside!

"Now that BMW is recalling the faulty antennas, and the EWS error will nto be seen again, is there any chance at all that we will ever get to know the procedure for manual override?"

I solicit your comment.

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Old 07-18-2008, 05:14 PM   #2824
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Regardless of how many bikes gets stolen, and regaardles of whetehr we here or you there like it, according to documents posted here a few thousand posts ago by the Honorable Mr. Poolside, a theft-prevention system has been made mandatory by DoT. BMW complied. We on the Old Continent are not pleased.
I don't think the anti-theft requirement applies to motorcycles. I've searched for DOT waivers for motorcycles and nearly all are for approval to divert euro-spec bikes to the US market. There are plenty of waivers for passive theft-deterrent system on automobiles, but none for bikes.

My guess is that BMW took it upon themselves to (poorly) implement some flashy feature from their car line as a sales gimmick and it's biting them in the ass.
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Old 07-18-2008, 06:18 PM   #2825
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I don't think the anti-theft requirement applies to motorcycles.

There are plenty of waivers for passive theft-deterrent system on automobiles, but none for bikes.

My guess is that BMW took it upon themselves to (poorly) implement some flashy feature from their car line as a sales gimmick and it's biting them in the ass.
That's right.

Motorcycle manufacturers generally do not design and build their own ECU. Instead they source their motorcycle ECUs from automotive ECU makers.

The ECUs are designed for automobiles, and the EWS Immobilizer software and hardware is already built-in to the ECU.

Immobilizer software and hardware *complete* with Immobilizer Manual Override.


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Old 07-19-2008, 11:31 AM   #2826
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That's right.

Motorcycle manufacturers generally do not design and build their own ECU. Instead they source their motorcycle ECUs from automotive ECU makers.

The ECUs are designed for automobiles, and the EWS Immobilizer software and hardware is already built-in to the ECU.

Immobilizer software and hardware *complete* with Immobilizer Manual Override.

I have been informed of some failures of the latest newest ring...so it may be time for the ultimate fix. Immobilizer Manual Override.
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Old 07-19-2008, 05:45 PM   #2827
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I have had no failures since the recall or before for that matter. FYI

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Old 07-19-2008, 08:04 PM   #2828
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I have been informed of some failures of the latest newest ring...so it may be time for the ultimate fix. Immobilizer Manual Override.
Can you be more explicit? Hate being kept in suspense waiting for the 'other shoe to fall'.
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Old 07-19-2008, 08:53 PM   #2829
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Can you be more explicit? Hate being kept in suspense waiting for the 'other shoe to fall'.
No suspense. I just know a mechanic at a major dealership who has had to replace a couple or few of the newest number...247. He told me to continue to keep a spare handy. Probably a good idea anyway.
As for the override idea, it kind of torques me off that we have this issue and I think it would be best (although I don't know all the issues) if we had a manual override with a pin #.
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Old 07-21-2008, 05:17 AM   #2830
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No suspense. I just know a mechanic at a major dealership who has had to replace a couple or few of the newest number...247. He told me to continue to keep a spare handy. Probably a good idea anyway.
As for the override idea, it kind of torques me off that we have this issue and I think it would be best (although I don't know all the issues) if we had a manual override with a pin #.
Jack - while I suspect that the ECU likely has the inherent capability, I believe that BMW has not leveraged the feature with any user I/O mechanism/procedure to enter an override code sequence.
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Old 07-21-2008, 05:39 AM   #2831
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Following the protocol of hooking up the BMW battery charger for use of the outlet and with "Glass Matt" batteries I have never had any problems with the initiation ["hand shake"..it is very simple] or having the charger run the battery through the correct charging sequences...nothing against any other brands but the BMW sequencing charger flat works....but I do know that using an incorrect charger or allowing them to totally discharge can ruin the battery.

So far it is working great for me..
Unless software and/or the charger has changed, once the CAN-bus 'port' closes, this charger for all intents and purposes cannot serve as a long term charger. That is, the LEDs show full charge, but the port never re-opens even tho' parasitics are drawing current. My understanding is that some of the dealerships (e.g. Daytona) where customers leave their bikes on this charger all summer and return in the fall (snowbirds) they have found their batteries dead; not so with the BMW/Deltran Battery Tenders directly wired.
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Old 07-21-2008, 07:54 AM   #2832
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Unless software and/or the charger has changed, once the CAN-bus 'port' closes, this charger for all intents and purposes cannot serve as a long term charger. That is, the LEDs show full charge, but the port never re-opens even tho' parasitics are drawing current. My understanding is that some of the dealerships (e.g. Daytona) where customers leave their bikes on this charger all summer and return in the fall (snowbirds) they have found their batteries dead; not so with the BMW/Deltran Battery Tenders directly wired.
John,

Sorry I did not follow that....are you saying that the BMW battery charger listed in the Owner's Manual [don't have number right now] that allows charging through the accessory outlet port may fail to charge the battery even if the correct intialization sequence was followed? I have been using mine for over a year and during the winter there isn't any riding here, so it has sat on the charger for at least 5 months without being run. Perhaps I am just mis-understanding. If folks are finding dead batteries after leaving it plugged in..my bet is that they never correctly hooked it up...as you know a very specific sequence is required.

Oh yes you mentioned the LED showed full charge..it periodically cycles through all the LEDs hence there should be times when the green light is not on...
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Old 07-21-2008, 03:30 PM   #2833
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Well,I guess 3X's a charm!
Just heard about friend who has posted here in the past about having "two a'ring failures" just lost another one. Luckily he had an extra one with.
Supposedly he an his wife,(the wifes bike is the one with the multiple failures) are still on the road coming home,so info is still sketchy.
I'm curious as to what the "a'ring part # is" that failed.

Man talk about havin' bad luck....
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Old 07-21-2008, 03:45 PM   #2834
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Eh?

does anyone have reports of any 2006 HP2 Enduro with EWS failures? i still do not know anyone.
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Old 07-21-2008, 05:23 PM   #2835
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Well, my 08 failed on the way out to Gillette.. Good thing I bought a 247 as a back-up on the way out. I was in the middle of no-where Nebraska when it let got. My 08 GSA failed with roughly 2000 miles. Sturgis BMW wouldn't get me in to fix, so I am still riding on the 247 spare. Oh, joy....
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