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Old 07-21-2008, 05:17 AM   #2836
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No suspense. I just know a mechanic at a major dealership who has had to replace a couple or few of the newest number...247. He told me to continue to keep a spare handy. Probably a good idea anyway.
As for the override idea, it kind of torques me off that we have this issue and I think it would be best (although I don't know all the issues) if we had a manual override with a pin #.
Jack - while I suspect that the ECU likely has the inherent capability, I believe that BMW has not leveraged the feature with any user I/O mechanism/procedure to enter an override code sequence.
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Old 07-21-2008, 05:39 AM   #2837
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Following the protocol of hooking up the BMW battery charger for use of the outlet and with "Glass Matt" batteries I have never had any problems with the initiation ["hand shake"..it is very simple] or having the charger run the battery through the correct charging sequences...nothing against any other brands but the BMW sequencing charger flat works....but I do know that using an incorrect charger or allowing them to totally discharge can ruin the battery.

So far it is working great for me..
Unless software and/or the charger has changed, once the CAN-bus 'port' closes, this charger for all intents and purposes cannot serve as a long term charger. That is, the LEDs show full charge, but the port never re-opens even tho' parasitics are drawing current. My understanding is that some of the dealerships (e.g. Daytona) where customers leave their bikes on this charger all summer and return in the fall (snowbirds) they have found their batteries dead; not so with the BMW/Deltran Battery Tenders directly wired.
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Old 07-21-2008, 07:54 AM   #2838
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Unless software and/or the charger has changed, once the CAN-bus 'port' closes, this charger for all intents and purposes cannot serve as a long term charger. That is, the LEDs show full charge, but the port never re-opens even tho' parasitics are drawing current. My understanding is that some of the dealerships (e.g. Daytona) where customers leave their bikes on this charger all summer and return in the fall (snowbirds) they have found their batteries dead; not so with the BMW/Deltran Battery Tenders directly wired.
John,

Sorry I did not follow that....are you saying that the BMW battery charger listed in the Owner's Manual [don't have number right now] that allows charging through the accessory outlet port may fail to charge the battery even if the correct intialization sequence was followed? I have been using mine for over a year and during the winter there isn't any riding here, so it has sat on the charger for at least 5 months without being run. Perhaps I am just mis-understanding. If folks are finding dead batteries after leaving it plugged in..my bet is that they never correctly hooked it up...as you know a very specific sequence is required.

Oh yes you mentioned the LED showed full charge..it periodically cycles through all the LEDs hence there should be times when the green light is not on...
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Old 07-21-2008, 03:30 PM   #2839
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Well,I guess 3X's a charm!
Just heard about friend who has posted here in the past about having "two a'ring failures" just lost another one. Luckily he had an extra one with.
Supposedly he an his wife,(the wifes bike is the one with the multiple failures) are still on the road coming home,so info is still sketchy.
I'm curious as to what the "a'ring part # is" that failed.

Man talk about havin' bad luck....
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Old 07-21-2008, 03:45 PM   #2840
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Eh?

does anyone have reports of any 2006 HP2 Enduro with EWS failures? i still do not know anyone.
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Old 07-21-2008, 05:23 PM   #2841
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Well, my 08 failed on the way out to Gillette.. Good thing I bought a 247 as a back-up on the way out. I was in the middle of no-where Nebraska when it let got. My 08 GSA failed with roughly 2000 miles. Sturgis BMW wouldn't get me in to fix, so I am still riding on the 247 spare. Oh, joy....
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Old 07-21-2008, 05:40 PM   #2842
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John,

Sorry I did not follow that....are you saying that the BMW battery charger listed in the Owner's Manual [don't have number right now] that allows charging through the accessory outlet port may fail to charge the battery even if the correct intialization sequence was followed? I have been using mine for over a year and during the winter there isn't any riding here, so it has sat on the charger for at least 5 months without being run. Perhaps I am just mis-understanding. If folks are finding dead batteries after leaving it plugged in..my bet is that they never correctly hooked it up...as you know a very specific sequence is required.

Oh yes you mentioned the LED showed full charge..it periodically cycles through all the LEDs hence there should be times when the green light is not on...
As far as I have been able to tell, any charger will keep the port on if you plug in the charger when the port is on. Then when the charger, any charger, goes to float and the charging current goes to nil, the port will turn off. And it will not restart unless the port is turned on again by the key. I do not think there is anything unique about the BMW charger as to turning on the port or keeping it on after going to float.
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Old 07-21-2008, 08:29 PM   #2843
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[quote=cjack]As far as I have been able to tell, any charger will keep the port on if you plug in the charger when the port is on. Then when the charger, any charger, goes to float and the charging current goes to nil, the port will turn off. And it will not restart unless the port is turned on again by the key. I do not think there is anything unique about the BMW charger as to turning on the port or keeping it on after going to float.[/quote]

I did not bring up [from my shop] the number of the charger required for my '07 GSA and the AGM [absorbed glass mat] battery...but once you: #1 intialize the CanBus [by turning on the ignition and allowing ECU to go through "check" intialization] and #2 then plug in the BMW charger to the accessory power outlet [under and behind left rear of seat on frame] and #3 then plug in AC power to the charger ...you turn off the key and forget about it...the charger cycles through the necessary charging sequency and the CanBus never shuts it off..period. You do not need to periodically 'restart the port'.

I do not know if other chargers are as compatible with the CanBus system as this BMW charger...and therefore I can't speak to other brands of chargers causing the port to shut down. My BMW Owners Manual is very explicit about only using this charger with the AGM/CanBus/outlet charging set-up...if you have a similar bike look it up..I seem to remember it was on page 128.

Ps..Sorry this is way off EWS.
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Old 07-21-2008, 08:37 PM   #2844
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There is a Manual Override for that.


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Old 07-21-2008, 08:47 PM   #2845
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There is a Manual Override for that.

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Old 07-25-2008, 08:01 AM   #2846
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I just spoke to BMW Miami and found out that there is an official recall on this issue. I will be taking my 1200GSA in to get it replaced next week.
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Old 07-25-2008, 10:36 AM   #2847
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I just spoke to BMW Miami and found out that there is an official recall on this issue. I will be taking my 1200GSA in to get it replaced next week.
"Official Recall"...How are owners going to be notified? Please ask your BMW Miami person...or did they call you?

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Old 07-25-2008, 10:40 AM   #2848
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I called my dealer after finding the brake line recall to see if my bike needed to come in. He asked me for my vin and told me that although I do not need to come in for the brakes that I do need to come in to get my antennae replaced. Call your dealer, don't take no for an answer!
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Old 07-25-2008, 10:50 AM   #2849
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OK..But For The Record Not A Recall..

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I called my dealer after finding the brake line recall to see if my bike needed to come in. He asked me for my vin and told me that although I do not need to come in for the brakes that I do need to come in to get my antennae replaced. Call your dealer, don't take no for an answer!
I know that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it probably is a duck...but in the official bafflegabble of BMW lexicon this is not a recall but a replacement based on a Service Information Bulletin...

Sorry guys but BMW really does have their heads up their collective asses...owners should be contacted since many don't have a clue about this EWS issue and could get stranded before finding out...

Double edged sword..I hate to turn loose a BMW mechanic on my bike...especially if BMW is not paying them for the time it really takes...simply amazing that all the way around BMW is "cheaping out"...WTF Over.
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Old 07-27-2008, 02:40 PM   #2850
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Pissed grrrr....

just had this EWS bulls**t happen to me....1200 km's on it. at least i was in an accessible place. just lame. but hey, at least the towing was free...
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