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Old 04-29-2012, 11:01 AM   #3211
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I had my EWS replaced. Been OK so far and not sure, but think it was the new part #.

Do you know the part number for the new one?

Seems I heard there was a hard wiring work around in emergency??? anybody know how to by-pass this thing to get home?
I would be interested in the same if there is a work around. Surprised the wife Friday with a 2012 Special Edition F650GS Twin. Man was she excited. She immediately put 150 miles on it yesterday. Today she is getting the EWS warning. Second day on the bike.

It is scheduled for break-in service on Tuesday so I guess I will be having a talk with the service guys.
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Old 04-29-2012, 12:31 PM   #3212
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I would be interested in the same if there is a work around. Surprised the wife Friday with a 2012 Special Edition F650GS Twin. Man was she excited. She immediately put 150 miles on it yesterday. Today she is getting the EWS warning. Second day on the bike.

It is scheduled for break-in service on Tuesday so I guess I will be having a talk with the service guys.
As stated and explained in many posts, if your antenna dies and you get an "EWS" then you can uplug the wiring to your installed antenna around the key switch and put your "spare" [you do carry a spare? #-247] over the key switch, plug it into the wiring harnass for the antenna, insert the the key through the temp antenna and start the bike...once started you can either remove the spare antenna or zip tie it in place until you can remove the dead antenna and replace it with the temp...

I believe the most current, non-defective antenna version part number ends in -247. I carry one. And the T10 to remove the wiring needed to attach to the spare antenna...ain't BMW engineering grand!

Oh, don't forget, 'EWS' can also indicate a bad battery..read the zillion [I know that is not a valid measurement] posts of this..
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Old 04-29-2012, 07:35 PM   #3213
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Same HP2 problem

Same issues turn the bike off then on it starts some times I carry the plastic key it fires up . Have the same warnings same bike plastic key works fine when the stocker dosnt . Now if I can get the right turn signal working that would be something too.
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:56 AM   #3214
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After reading the manual a little closer, we removed the stock key from the ring and used it by itself. She was still using the dealer key ring that had all the keys on it so we suspect it was just interference with the other keys. Everything is working as normal for the moment.
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Old 02-24-2014, 06:28 AM   #3215
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EWS Stuck in Ushuaia

Can anyone offer advise for getting going again with an EWS fault. I don't have a spare.with me as I was told the problem no longer occurs. My bike is a 2012 GSA.

Any help much appreciated.
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Old 02-24-2014, 06:50 AM   #3216
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Can anyone offer advise for getting going again with an EWS fault. I don't have a spare.with me as I was told the problem no longer occurs. My bike is a 2012 GSA.

Any help much appreciated.
I thought that the problem was eliminated in the 2012 and not a good way to reply. I had multiple bikes with EWS problems and was never able to resolve in the field. I eventually bought a spare to install in the field.

BUT TRY ANYTHING. Disconnect the battery wait thirty of so seconds. Re-connect battery. As I best remember the Torx to remove the 'Ring' is a T25 (could be wrong), fiddle with the wires after ring removed, but not sure any of this will help. The damn thing is a nuisance!
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Old 02-24-2014, 08:00 AM   #3217
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EWS Stuck in Ushuaia - replacement procedure.

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I thought that the problem was eliminated in the 2012 and not a good way to reply. I had multiple bikes with EWS problems and was never able to resolve in the field. I eventually bought a spare to install in the field.

BUT TRY ANYTHING. Disconnect the battery wait thirty of so seconds. Re-connect battery. As I best remember the Torx to remove the 'Ring' is a T25 (could be wrong), fiddle with the wires after ring removed, but not sure any of this will help. The damn thing is a nuisance!
Thanks, do you know if there is a detailed procedure for getting the wiring out of the old one and plugging into a new component as a temp fix. I think I can simply re,plug into the new one and tie wrap it to the bars close to the switch.

thanks for the prompt response,

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Old 02-24-2014, 09:00 AM   #3218
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Thanks, do you know if there is a detailed procedure for getting the wiring out of the old one and plugging into a new component as a temp fix. I think I can simply re,plug into the new one and tie wrap it to the bars close to the switch.

thanks for the prompt response,

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Yes Dave, the procedure likely written somewhere but it's fairly intuitive. i have a spare new model RING that I did what you are going to do a long time ago, and it's fairly intuitive as I best remember. That is, bypassing existing, and wiring in new one, and affixing with tape, tie wraps, zip ties, whatever. Just to get you home or on your way.

Good luck . . .
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Old 02-26-2014, 06:11 PM   #3219
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EWS fault and stuck in Ushuaia

Hi,

I saw your reference to bad battery. I have a new (2 actually) antenna and have tried to start the bike with them. I'm getting an intermittent fault that is getting worse for sure. The antennas did not help although I thought it was a bit better, ie frequency of good starts improved a bit.

Do you know what else I could try. What defines a battery problem, the bike was starting first time even after being stood for months and just prior to this problem I had covered 2000 miles in about 5 days so I assume it's charged.

I've disconnected the battery for the night to see if the ECU needs a rest, can't hurt.

Any help anyone can offer will be much appreciated as I'm about to stick the bike on a truck or boat to Buenos Aires.

Unless it's something trivial I'm concerned about using the bike further for this kind of thing. I generally travel alone and it could have been a lot worse as I was on very remote roads.

In addition both shocks are now leaking.

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Old 02-26-2014, 10:57 PM   #3220
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I have a new (2 actually) antenna and have tried to start the bike with them. I'm getting an intermittent fault that is getting worse for sure. The antennas did not help although I thought it was a bit better, ie frequency of good starts improved a bit.
When the ignition is turned on the engine management checks for a known key. It sends some kind of signal that is radiated by the antenna and reads the response from the key. If a valid response isn't received you'll get the EWS warning. If the response is valid the system lets you start the bike and the circuit will not be checked again until the next time you try to start the bike.

That leads to several possible failure modes:
  • There is not enough battery power to run the BMS-K
  • The BMS-K is not sending the signal due to an internal failure (unlikely, IMHO)
  • The signal is not getting to the antenna (wiring?)
  • The antenna is broken (but you say the spare is doing the same thing)
  • The key is broken (do you have a spare key?)
I'm guessing that your antenna was never the problem. I'd swap keys first, because that is easy. Then I'd start tracing the wires looking for a place where cable ties and vibration have done some damage. That is not an unknown issue with some bikes.
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Old 02-27-2014, 04:22 AM   #3221
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EWS fault and stuck in Ushuaia

Thanks a lot for the response,

I've tried the antenna as many people said that it could be the issue, no luck.
I've tried the spare key.
I've not done much with the battery as it seemed very good but will now eck that.
I'm thinking it might be a trapped wire now based on your list. I did remove one tie wrap that was very tight.

Thanks for the help.

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Old 02-27-2014, 06:59 AM   #3222
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Hi,

I saw your reference to bad battery. I have a new (2 actually) antenna and have tried to start the bike with them. I'm getting an intermittent fault that is getting worse for sure. The antennas did not help although I thought it was a bit better, ie frequency of good starts improved a bit.

Do you know what else I could try. What defines a battery problem, the bike was starting first time even after being stood for months and just prior to this problem I had covered 2000 miles in about 5 days so I assume it's charged.

I've disconnected the battery for the night to see if the ECU needs a rest, can't hurt.

Any help anyone can offer will be much appreciated as I'm about to stick the bike on a truck or boat to Buenos Aires.

Unless it's something trivial I'm concerned about using the bike further for this kind of thing. I generally travel alone and it could have been a lot worse as I was on very remote roads.

In addition both shocks are now leaking.

Cheers dave
Dave, from my experience and many others the EWS/'ring' failure is not intermittent? Tho' I have not read this complete thread, but am talking from my experiences primarily.

People's good or bad fortune with batteries seem to vary, but here are some tips. Electronic devices plugged into AUX (non-CAN-bus sockets) do draw current, called parasitic draw. Best unplug these devices. Some devices even with 'switch off' draw current. Some CAN-bus sockets are faulty and do not properly 'shut-off', also drawing current with the device plugged in.

Some people have 'Deltran Battery Tenders'. Many leave them plugged in all of the time and have good results, others have claimed they have ruined their good battery. I hedge my bet by putting bikes on BT's with a Christmas light timer so that the timer turns it on for 1-hour per day for battery maintenance.

Batteries for some BMW's owners seem to be their Achille's Heel. If I were traveling on remote roads I'd give some consideration to keeping something that could start/augment/jump battery in an emergency. There are lots of alternatives, they do take space in the pannier but peace of mind can be worth it.

Good luck, surely I didn't tell you anything you didn't know.
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Old 02-27-2014, 08:33 AM   #3223
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EWS fault and stuck in Ushuaia

Thanks,

Nothing I didn't know but still very much appreciated as it gives me assurance for the decisions I'm making.

Jumped the bike from a truck this morning, it started but was completely erratic in terms of fueling and the electronic display. It then repeated the fault numerous times when connected to the truck so battery issue eliminated (at least using my logic.)

Re-connect 2 different antennas and same problem. Conclusion, ECU or some type of electronics control. Could be a short as well I think from the antenna to the ECU.

Due to timing and already down 4 days capitulated and arranging to load onto a truck bound for Buenos Aires. Great bike shop here, very helpful but unable to sort problem due to diagnoistic gear needed.

I'll get a set of WESA wilbur GS shocks -25mm organised as well since mine are now leaking badly after the rough roads.

Not happy but reconciled to our fate this time.

Any views on suspension upgrades, I'll let you know what the fault is once we have it fixed. Mech here thinks it'll probably be a trapped wire as likely as anything else and that will just take time to track down however he was concerned about us heading along our route as is. We'll be pretty remote in Southern Chile so proobably best to quit ahead.

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Old 02-27-2014, 08:47 AM   #3224
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bro you be fucked,in your vernacular.
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bro you be fucked,in your vernacular.

Can't argue with that.
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