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Old 07-25-2007, 10:11 PM   #331
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I do not think so. The plastic key is likely just as expensive to make as the metal one. It is designed to be small and light to fit in your wallet, or conceal easily.

As for the rest of it, I agree.

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A metal key without the rubber cap would be even smaller, and the weight difference would be negligable. Cost is the issue. It is much less expensive to injection mold a plastic, even an engineering grade reinforced one as is used in the plastic spare key, than to blank and cut a stainless steel key. To reduce manufacturing cost, BMW Motorrad started supplying plastic spare keys, eliminated the tire repair kit and CO2 cartridges, and reduced the tool kit from something usable to just a shock spring pre-load adjuster, one Torx wrench, and something else that I've forgotten, along with CANbus, and the whole weight reduction program on the new Hexhead platform. So, the plastic key is just a small manifestation of a much larger effort, but one that is particularly annoying.... though knowhere near as annoying as having to BUY a usable tool kit for a BMW motorcycle!

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Old 07-25-2007, 10:14 PM   #332
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A metal key without the rubber cap would be even smaller, and the weight difference would be negligable. Cost is the issue. It is much less expensive to injection mold a plastic, even an engineering grade reinforced one as is used in the plastic spare key, than to blank and cut a stainless steel key. To reduce manufacturing cost, BMW Motorrad started supplying plastic spare keys, eliminated the tire repair kit and CO2 cartridges, and reduced the tool kit from something usable to just a shock spring pre-load adjuster, one Torx wrench, and something else that I've forgotten, along with CANbus, and the whole weight reduction program on the new Hexhead platform. So, the plastic key is just a small manifestation of a much larger effort, but one that is particularly annoying.... though knowhere near as annoying as having to BUY a usable tool kit for a BMW motorcycle!

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Old 07-26-2007, 05:26 AM   #333
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A metal key without the rubber cap would be even smaller...
Maybe some electron-heads can tell us if the transponder would work well in an all-metal key. I suspect it wouldn't. Flat steel is cheap also; the plastic key is AFAIK intended for wallet duty.
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Old 07-26-2007, 07:45 AM   #334
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I remember about a year ago when the key cost issue came up and I found that the plastic key was actually about $5 more than the metal one.

EDIT: Just checked again and I see now the plastic one is $59 vs $60 for the metal one.
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Old 07-26-2007, 08:04 AM   #335
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I remember about a year ago when the key cost issue came up and I found that the plastic key was actually about $5 more than the metal one.

EDIT: Just checked again and I see now the plastic one is $59 vs $60 for the metal one.
price and cost do not equate
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Old 08-01-2007, 11:02 AM   #336
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I have a spare

I received my spare Antenae ring, have my mounting bolts drilled out ...so, now I should be set......hopefully. Unless my final drive craps out. I feel like a Harley rider 20 years ago.!!
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Old 08-06-2007, 06:53 PM   #337
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EWS perverbial problem

I was headed to the Idaho GS ride this weekend. I was 50 miles south or Riley on OR 395. EWS failure. No cell recepiton. Had to flag down motorists to get help. Great fun. Missed the ride. Not a very happy camper with BMW. Will drill out rivets and carry a spare.
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Old 08-06-2007, 07:38 PM   #338
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I was headed to the Idaho GS ride this weekend. I was 50 miles south or Riley on OR 395. EWS failure. No cell recepiton. Had to flag down motorists to get help. Great fun. Missed the ride. Not a very happy camper with BMW. Will drill out rivets and carry a spare.
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Old 08-07-2007, 08:07 PM   #339
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Actually the last 5 series TD I drove in germany only required the key fob in an emergency, otherwise it never has to leave your pocket. Touch the door handle and the car unlocks, get in hit the start button and you are off, Now that would be good, no need for a key at all and if you fall off the bike the engine would shut down, no oil starvation issues. maybe by 09
The new Kawa Concours 14 has a system very close to what you describe. It has a key that basically stays in the bike permanently (can only be removed by owner). The 'real' key can stay in your pocket. As you approach the bike, the system recognizes the key in your pocket, and the bike unlocks the system to allow you to start it by turning the permanent key.

It even has a counter feature that counts the miles since it last sensed the key should you lose the key while riding .
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Old 08-07-2007, 08:41 PM   #340
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The new Kawa Concours 14 has a system very close to what you describe. It has a key that basically stays in the bike permanently (can only be removed by owner). The 'real' key can stay in your pocket. As you approach the bike, the system recognizes the key in your pocket, and the bike unlocks the system to allow you to start it by turning the permanent key.

It even has a counter feature that counts the miles since it last sensed the key should you lose the key while riding .
And it's,


Wait for it...





Wait for it....




CAN-BUS design too!
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Old 08-14-2007, 08:33 PM   #341
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I had the EWS failure happen on ADV at 1400 miles. Wild West Honda/BMW in west Houston had the ring antenna and in a day was on my way.
Bum ride for my buddies who stuck around for the tow truck to show up.
Had the spare and the plastic, and neither worked...
What are the chances on that happening again? Or is it like measles?
Hope for a recall rather than buy a spare...

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Old 08-14-2007, 08:53 PM   #342
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Virtually all the reported EWS failures on this site have been on low mileage bikes. Still, i'd like to be rid of it, if that option ever comes up with someone from the aftermarket who comes up with a crack for the immobilizer..

the other solution is to carry a spare.. which kinda sucks.
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Old 08-14-2007, 09:04 PM   #343
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I had the EWS failure happen on ADV at 1400 miles. Wild West Honda/BMW in west Houston had the ring antenna and in a day was on my way.
Bum ride for my buddies who stuck around for the tow truck to show up.
Had the spare and the plastic, and neither worked...
What are the chances on that happening again? Or is it like measles?
Hope for a recall rather than buy a spare...

Keep the gods with you!
Sorry you got "chosen"..has anyone heard from BMW what if anything they intend to do about this design flaw/parts flaw? Surely they are not going to ignore this forever?
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Old 08-14-2007, 09:07 PM   #344
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what design flaw? they've used this in their cars for a long time too. A few antennas have gone bad and ruined a few rides won't result in a recall or a design change. I'm betting the next generation of bikes will have no key, you just keep the "key" (card) within 1 meter of the bike and the bike will start, technology used in cars now and apparently, on the new Concours.
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Old 08-14-2007, 09:38 PM   #345
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what design flaw? they've used this in their cars for a long time too. A few antennas have gone bad and ruined a few rides won't result in a recall or a design change. I'm betting the next generation of bikes will have no key, you just keep the "key" (card) within 1 meter of the bike and the bike will start, technology used in cars now and apparently, on the new Concours.

I am all for it ......keys are a hassle. Everything should work the same....door on the house ....walking through the check out at the grocery store etc.....one card .....and/or...enter a 4 digit password ..and away you go..no need to pull out the card.

I am still waiting for the day when you just push your cart though the check out without unloading it and scanning every item.

For now though, I have my spare antena....."don't go to South America without it".......
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