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Old 12-13-2009, 05:52 PM   #1576
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The stator on the XL uses one pole for the ignition, one pole for the headlight and the rest for the tail light and other stuff like the turn signals, dash and taillight, heated gear etc... I would pull the plug and test for spark while kicking it over. Anything less than a robust blue spark at the plug means something is wrong. I did have one Ricky Stator go bad on mine after 4000 miles so it isn't like they all hold up forever. They did warrantee it and send me another one.
My superstition is that heat killed the stock one, and the summer highway cross country run killed the 2nd one. I put on an oil cooler and hope the bottom end gets the much needed cooling it deserves. Hopefully no more fried stators!
Thanks, I plan on putting a XR400 oil cooler ,I have sitting in my garage,on over the winter time just for that added cooling.
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Old 12-14-2009, 01:20 AM   #1577
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You know all about the footpegs but the handguards are a nice addition. Went for a short ride this morning @ 30F out and they did stop the wind pretty well. Don't know about bushes or treelimbs yet.
they look the goods!

i had a pair of crappy plastic ones that had no metal bits, they had many arguments with trees and stayed in one piece for a surprisingly long amount of time, so a solid looking unit like that should do nicely.
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Old 12-14-2009, 02:28 PM   #1578
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Hi guys! I missed a lot of the usual XL talk, Im sure. I've been working on a 1967 Volvo 122s, my winter transportation. I love the XL and all, but I was so tired from last winter having no car and only the motorcycle. I couldn't put chains on it and dress myself when it swowed, it just wouldn't have been viable in any way. Now I can get in the warm cab after applying snow chains (if it comes to that) and get anywhere.

I am not converted to caging it, but here's another angle on this.

I've been wanting for some time now to convert the 100% guaranteed legal and licensable in any state XL600 frame to a true XR600 frame. Some say that I could swap vin plates from the XL to any XR and have this. That may be possible, but the stamped numbers on the head tube would not match, and to try and weld over, gtind, and re-stamp them to match would come out looking unprofessional, unbelievable, and is probably a sin and a felony. Not that I care, but it wouldn't look right. I have big-city DMV to dea with, not small-town. A friend of mine can plate whatever he wants in his small Oregon town, but not me. I wanted something 100% legal ANYWHERE I GO. Also, while the XR frame has the stronger square vertical oil tank tube in the frame, the XL frame has thicker tubing in the back for cargo support and passenger, as it was primarily designed to be a dual sport post-teen badasses could tote their girlfriend on. So that's the XL's overwheliming array of strong points. Now to make it look like an XR from the frame out.

I will be relocating the shock mounting points to match the XR's, and adding a bracket for the XR shock reservoir. Next, to make the seat and tank work, I also must use the XR airbox. Bracket mods to fit the airbox, as well as a swap from an XR frame (or modification of existing) seat arch in the rear must be done. With the seat, tank, and airbox on the frame, I now have wider acess to aftermarket oversize tanks. I also traded and adventure rider his Corbin seat for my stock XR seat, so that will go on. I am not short, but I am also not quite tall enough for the XR, I admit it. The corbin's lower profile will help with this, and it has very dense foam for long rides.

So now that you have heard my story, I will commence to tear down the bike at the shop where I have welding facilities, sandblasting, and powdercoating. A member of this community shop is also about to employ my services. He is building a big-ass powdercoating oven and needs my help welding a rolling rack. The rack has a rail that aligns with one inside the roof of the oven so you can roll it up and then roll your hanging motorcycle (or whatever) frame into the oven on this horizontal high track. It's going to be sweet. I'll add any brackets I may need in the future, including one fro a brake caliper master cylinder and passenger peg brackets. This should be dreamy!
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Old 12-14-2009, 03:18 PM   #1579
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it was primarily designed to be a dual sport post-teen badasses could tote their girlfriend on.
.......ill be keeping that in mind.

Joel, not posting pics of every step of that build will be a crime against humanity. Thats like the Mecca of motorcycle porn and you will end up with the best, most capable XL600.....IN THE WORLD.
Which would then be ready for a nice big world trip just to prove it.
And I am damn jealous, you are combining everything fantastic about motorcycling into one package:

1 the XL600
2 Fabricating/modding/general making it better
3 Dual sports in general

Are you going to use the Dual carb XL600 engine aswell?

PS as for the volvo122 we dont get many of them over here, we get all the 2.5 tonne tanks (240e etcetc) but i can see yours if much more loveable. we all need more than just an XL600 in our lives, my other projects are a 1981 Suzuki Katana and a 1982 XR250 and recently ive been cleaning up our old Hobie Cataraman for summer. Theres still slot of motorcycling to get out of my system before i move on to cars however......also my garage is not big enough for a car at the moment anyway.

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Old 12-14-2009, 04:55 PM   #1580
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I don't have a working camers, but once I get started, I won't mention anything else about it until I have photos to share. Consider my avove statement as the introductory paragraph.

Glad to hear you are as excitable about my project as I could have expected. It takes both Australia and America to come up with just two XL600 fiends as ambitious and serious as we are. Now if the two of us only had the resources to do all the things we dream of doing...oh wait, I've got Tech Shop to work out of. Ok, ok, I'll get moving...
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Old 12-14-2009, 08:25 PM   #1581
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OR you could cut the headstock ( with vin number ) off the XL and weld it on the XR frame and " Bobs your uncle".I did this to a TTR225 ( I used a XT headstock ) and I had a legal 225.Now if they would have looked real close they could have MAYBE figured out that the TTR was NOT a XT250 BUT nobody did and it would be better to have a XL/XR hybrid,I don't think anybody thats NOT on this forum would be able to figure it out.

Just a thought !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 12-14-2009, 08:30 PM   #1582
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Now if they would have looked real close they could have MAYBE figured out that the TTR was NOT a XT250...
I wonder whether it would matter if they did figure it out. Maybe that much modification would be enough to make it a custom-built bike.

Maybe he would end up with a 2010 Zombie 600.
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Old 12-14-2009, 10:08 PM   #1583
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Hey guys, just some of my last XL600 pics before the sale, weep.

One very cold and wet ride home about two weeks B.S. (before sale)


Last ride B.S.


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Old 12-14-2009, 11:44 PM   #1584
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I don't have a working camers, but once I get started, I won't mention anything else about it until I have photos to share. Consider my avove statement as the introductory paragraph.

Glad to hear you are as excitable about my project as I could have expected. It takes both Australia and America to come up with just two XL600 fiends as ambitious and serious as we are. Now if the two of us only had the resources to do all the things we dream of doing...oh wait, I've got Tech Shop to work out of. Ok, ok, I'll get moving...
Quit braggin' already!

im sure there are more out there that just havent realised it yet. they'll know it when they park the XL600 in a line up of new bikes, and cant stop looking at the XL600, no matter what else is parked there, ducatis, ktms, nothing excites me more than the XL............it was just meant to be.

it will be an interesting day when our two bikes meet. they will be able to sympathize with each other as to all the crap and indecisiveness from their owners they had to put up with., all the 2-dollar bodge jobs, and their respective cross-continental journeys.

but will you be using an xr600 enigne? you say it will be an xr600 out from the xl600 frame, does that include the engine?
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Old 12-15-2009, 10:51 AM   #1585
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im sure there are more out there that just havent realised it yet.
I don't know whether I qualify here; my XL is not a 600, and my 600 is not an XL.

But, I have had the same XL500 for thirty years now.
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Old 12-15-2009, 05:18 PM   #1586
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Quit braggin' already!

im sure there are more out there that just havent realised it yet. they'll know it when they park the XL600 in a line up of new bikes, and cant stop looking at the XL600, no matter what else is parked there, ducatis, ktms, nothing excites me more than the XL............it was just meant to be.

it will be an interesting day when our two bikes meet. they will be able to sympathize with each other as to all the crap and indecisiveness from their owners they had to put up with., all the 2-dollar bodge jobs, and their respective cross-continental journeys.

but will you be using an xr600 enigne? you say it will be an xr600 out from the xl600 frame, does that include the engine?
My current engine has the dual carburetors of the '83 xl600 (the largest diameter used on XL or XR, stock jetted the richest as well), a NOS '83 XL600 head with the decompression valve and chamber, a revised design that excludes the reed valve between the carbs, an '85 xr cylinder bored to fit the Wiseco 9:1 piston, and a '98 xr600 bottom end which has no spring loaded balancer gear. I've seen one of thoae fail and it caused damage to the cases, so I'm glad to have the simpler one without that potential to failure. The total displacement of mine with bore job I believe is 603.5CCs. The XR600 dua lcarb and single carb air boxes are the same with the exception of the rubber boot. I have one of the single carbureted ones back in Nc I can have shipped to me, and then buy a spare dual-carb rubber boot assembly and apply it to the box. This will enable the use of XR600 side panels which will be neccessary to use in conjubnction with the seat and side panels. i may go with the '85-'87 style side panels as they will give me more of the look I'm going for, i will have to trade or sell the '89 style ones I've got in NC. A battery eliminating capacitor will be fitted in place of the battery since the XR airbox will have no battery compartment, and I could benefit from the weight loss. The only thing the battery is needed for is a departmernt of transportatioon requirement for the bike to be able to keep a tail light and turn signals on for a certain amount of time without the engine running. As reliable as the engines are, I am none too concerned with this. If it becomes an issue, a much smaller lithium Ion battery could be made to fit in the airbox. I've seen a modified bike run one of these and use it for electric start, and it was even smaller than my stock XL battery. I've also heard of lead-acid batteries the size of a pack of cigarettes existing. I guess the only issue will be to make sure that the battery or capacitor will provide enough resistance to absorb the charging load of the coil, as I hear that they can suffer damage without providing enough load to the charging coil, for instance, if your battery were disconnected with the bike running. I've yet to verify if this is a real concern or not.
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Old 12-15-2009, 06:52 PM   #1587
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I don't know whether I qualify here; my XL is not a 600, and my 600 is not an XL.



But, I have had the same XL500 for thirty years now.
id say that qualifies you, ive had my XL for just over a year now.

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a '98 xr600 bottom end which has no spring loaded balancer gear. I've seen one of thoae fail and it caused damage to the cases, so I'm glad to have the simpler one without that potential to failure.
does this mean that i have one of these dodgy spring loaded balancer gears?

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A battery eliminating capacitor will be fitted in place of the battery since the XR airbox will have no battery compartment, and I could benefit from the weight loss. The only thing the battery is needed for is a departmernt of transportatioon requirement for the bike to be able to keep a tail light and turn signals on for a certain amount of time without the engine running. As reliable as the engines are, I am none too concerned with this. If it becomes an issue, a much smaller lithium Ion battery could be made to fit in the airbox. I've seen a modified bike run one of these and use it for electric start, and it was even smaller than my stock XL battery. I've also heard of lead-acid batteries the size of a pack of cigarettes existing. I guess the only issue will be to make sure that the battery or capacitor will provide enough resistance to absorb the charging load of the coil, as I hear that they can suffer damage without providing enough load to the charging coil, for instance, if your battery were disconnected with the bike running. I've yet to verify if this is a real concern or not.
the weight saving possibilities of having a smaller battery are very appealing, not to mention the extra space acquired where the battery would go - the only drawback i would imagine would be the price of such a fancy pants battery?

i would be surprised if honda would let the charging coil be damaged if the battery was not functioning, if it were taken out of the loop altogether then it might cause a problem but if it was still connected and not functioning or damaged somehow at least it would still provide resistance therefore protecting the coil.

i would dearly love to know why honda decided to take the air screw off the '85 model XL600s. it would make tuning so much easier if i had one.
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Old 12-15-2009, 08:45 PM   #1588
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Hi guys! I missed a lot of the usual XL talk, Im sure. I've been working on a 1967 Volvo 122s, my winter transportation.

[...]


dreamy!
So are you talking about one of these pups?



Nice job, mate.

hey if the XL600 is all you're about, you just haven't got deep enough roots. Go Big

Plus, four wheels is nearly always better than two when it gets cold. I can attest to that.

Best of luck to you Joel and pls keep us up to speed.



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Old 12-16-2009, 12:29 AM   #1589
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follow the link in my signature for the car updates. I'm also on OVTuners.org>Vintage models and swedespeed.com>community>RWD Volvos> Amazon 122 both forums I'm Zombie_stomp as well, and I post the most out of anyone on those particular forums so I'd be easy to find.
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Old 12-17-2009, 07:43 AM   #1590
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Quick question; what tires are you folks running for street/dirt use? My '85 has a set of Maxis knobbies, which are rapidly wearing from pavement use. I don't want to go full bore motard, but need something more street friendly.
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