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Old 10-28-2012, 12:27 AM   #6241
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the air filter element support

where did you get the filter support mine has mysteriously disappeared during my recent rebuild.
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Old 10-28-2012, 12:32 AM   #6242
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where did you get the filter support mine has mysteriously disappeared during my recent rebuild.
I've always had it, sorry bro.
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:14 AM   #6243
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No start issue

I have a no start issue on my newly aquired 86 XL6.

Here is what I know.

Brand spankin new Ricky stator (went with the advise here)

Adjusted the valves.

Went through the carb and corrected everything that was assembled wrong from the PO, except for the idle speed....which leads me to one question. Where does it need to be set after initial contact with the screw?

I have spark. Kinda. I have to really kick the hell out of it to produce a spark. This wasn't like that with my old XL6.

So, this leads me to my other question, can this be a pick-up issue?

I'm out of ideas...

***edit***

I forgot to mention, I have tried starting with and without enrichener. Also tried age old starting fluid and nothing.

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Old 10-28-2012, 07:21 PM   #6244
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Old 10-28-2012, 08:03 PM   #6245
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I forgot to mention, I have tried starting with and without enrichener. Also tried age old starting fluid and nothing.
Does it even pop when you try that? Does it start and die? Or is it just nothing?
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:06 PM   #6246
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Hey guys I somehow broke my chain gaurd/guide on on the swingarm, I cant 't find one anywhere, what should I do?

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Old 10-29-2012, 03:46 AM   #6247
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I have a no start issue on my newly aquired 86 XL6.

Here is what I know.

Brand spankin new Ricky stator (went with the advise here)

Adjusted the valves.

Went through the carb and corrected everything that was assembled wrong from the PO, except for the idle speed....which leads me to one question. Where does it need to be set after initial contact with the screw?

I have spark. Kinda. I have to really kick the hell out of it to produce a spark. This wasn't like that with my old XL6.

So, this leads me to my other question, can this be a pick-up issue?

I'm out of ideas...

***edit***

I forgot to mention, I have tried starting with and without enrichener. Also tried age old starting fluid and nothing.
Lets look at what you changed..The stator, have you still got the old one you can put back in to try it out?
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Old 10-29-2012, 05:28 AM   #6248
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Does it even pop when you try that? Does it start and die? Or is it just nothing?
No pop. No nothing. Nadda!

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Lets look at what you changed..The stator, have you still got the old one you can put back in to try it out?
The old one was doing the same thing. Very weak spark when kicked hard, or no spark when kicked normal.

This is what lead me to believe I was having stator issues. Admittedly, I got ahead of myself without actually testing it.
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Old 10-29-2012, 06:11 AM   #6249
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Hi

Do you check your Carbs ?

They are more then 20 years old and many things there can go wrong.

To high gasoline level in the float boal from any reason and a leaking / open choke and the mix goes way to rich to start .
Worn out needle in the primary carb does the same .
Or the little Spring that hold the needle down in the slide is broken /rusty and the neddle stuck with the clip in the Holder in a pos. thats to high .

A hole in the diaphragma of the Air leak valve (very often ) and the mix is to lean to start .
Or simply the slow jet is partly blocked .

The XL had always a weak Spark but even a weak spark can ignite the mix if its the correct ratio .
but on the XL a little to rich or a little to lean and that weak spark does nothing .

And the Window of a good mix is very small . Lamda 0,87-0,95
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Old 10-29-2012, 07:07 AM   #6250
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Hi

Do you check your Carbs ?

They are more then 20 years old and many things there can go wrong.

To high gasoline level in the float boal from any reason and a leaking / open choke and the mix goes way to rich to start .
Worn out needle in the primary carb does the same .
Or the little Spring that hold the needle down in the slide is broken /rusty and the neddle stuck with the clip in the Holder in a pos. thats to high .

A hole in the diaphragma of the Air leak valve (very often ) and the mix is to lean to start .
Or simply the slow jet is partly blocked .

The XL had always a weak Spark but even a weak spark can ignite the mix if its the correct ratio .
but on the XL a little to rich or a little to lean and that weak spark does nothing .

And the Window of a good mix is very small . Lamda 0,87-0,95
I did go through the carbs sat or sun (I cant remember), but you would think that it would at least do something off of starting fluid, if not fresh gasoline.
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Old 10-29-2012, 07:19 AM   #6251
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hi

give it a try .
but if it run already to rich the start pilot spray will not help .
close the gas tap first , kick the float boal dry .
if you lucky the bike will start already depend at on point of kicking with the closed gas tap
the mix gets lean and if it was to rich for starting then the engine will at least pop a few times.

venting the cylinder with full trottle and manual decomp lever will also help to move the to rich mix out
of the combustion chamber .
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Old 10-29-2012, 07:53 AM   #6252
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hi

give it a try .
but if it run already to rich the start pilot spray will not help .
close the gas tap first , kick the float boal dry .
if you lucky the bike will start already depend at on point of kicking with the closed gas tap
the mix gets lean and if it was to rich for starting then the engine will at least pop a few times.

venting the cylinder with full trottle and manual decomp lever will also help to move the to rich mix out
of the combustion chamber .
I don't think I was clear in my previous post. I tried starting with fresh gas, tap on and off. I tried starting with ether (starting fluid), again, tap on and off. I have even left the air box disconnected (from when i took the carbs out to clean and sort) to get a direct shot of ether. Nothing.

***No doubt this is a spark problem***

I can leave the plug hang and if I kick the hell out of it, I can see a spark jump across the electrode. Does the same thing if I ground it on a screw on the engine.

So again, if I kick normal, no spark. Kick the hell out of it, got weak spark.

Upon a closer look, the ignition coil is an aftermarket unit. Can coils be tested? Can pick-ups be tested?

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Old 10-29-2012, 09:08 AM   #6253
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Hey guys I somehow broke my chain gaurd/guide on on the swingarm, I cant 't find one anywhere, what should I do?

xrsonly.com has some for the XR600, and if you find the right one it may fit the XL. They seem to be 3-hole, though, and it looks like you need a 2-hole. Maybe call them to see if they know?

For a used one, ebay has you covered.
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Old 10-29-2012, 10:00 AM   #6254
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xrsonly.com has some for the XR600, and if you find the right one it may fit the XL. They seem to be 3-hole, though, and it looks like you need a 2-hole. Maybe call them to see if they know?

For a used one, ebay has you covered.
Those things are just a little fin that keeps something, I don't know what, from touching the chain. It's not even mounted on very sturdy tabs. I remember being able to bend the tabs like tinfoil when I would move the guard back and forth. Very unlike the XR guard which is mounted on a thick bracket and the chain passes through it. I don't know what the fin is supposed to deflect, but nothing very serious. You could take it off!
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Old 10-29-2012, 10:12 AM   #6255
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Those things are just a little fin that keeps something, I don't know what, from touching the chain. It's not even mounted on very sturdy tabs. I remember being able to bend the tabs like tinfoil when I would move the guard back and forth. Very unlike the XR guard which is mounted on a thick bracket and the chain passes through it. I don't know what the fin is supposed to deflect, but nothing very serious. You could take it off!
I think it is supposed to prevent the chain from coming off the rear sprocket, in the event that the chain is too loose. Or it could be said that the chain is supposed to be a bit loose, and the guide keeps it aligned.

Yup, it's pretty flimsy. If you aren't doing the Baja 1000, you might not need it.
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