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Old 10-12-2006, 02:02 PM   #1
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Wheelie your LC4

When I boutght my first LC4, the previous owner said "let me warm up the engine. Got a helmet I can use?" Next thing I saw was an LC4 whizzing by at 80km/h on one wheel. Guess what.... I bought that bike.

When I was selling my 2001 KTM (30.000km later) I put the buyer on my LC4, myself on my wife's bike and took him into the hills nearby. Then we stopped and I said "let me show you something..." Did a standing wheelie at constant speed for a few hundred meters... and the bike had a new owner from that day.

LC4 is a really cool bike to wheelie on. It looks cool, it feels cool... it's just cool to wheelie...

I never crashed while doing a wheelie. It took some time and practice but it paid off. At first I didn't believe it was possible in the 2nd gear. Now I know it's possible in 3rd. The most interesting things I've done on one wheel:

- Downshift from 3rd to 2nd while doing a wheelie
- Wheelie from stopped position (feet on footpegs, though) and trough all gears up to 5th
- A 2km wheelie at constant speed
- a vertical wheelie (12 o'clock) only he bolts at the bottom of the fender weren't that happy...
- a wheelie at 120km/h (seen on a bike riding along)

As I said, the LC4 can do it all.

Any tips from the wheelie masters out there? How do you do it on your LC4 (or a different thumper?) Any help for those who wish to wheelie but are affraid or don't know how?

.....any questions?

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Old 10-12-2006, 02:24 PM   #2
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Lets hear the secret! I can barely get my wheel to pop in 2nd gear on my 640. On the dirt it is easier. I can hit a bump and loft the front using the bump to help. This works in 3rd no problem.
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Old 10-12-2006, 02:33 PM   #3
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Laugh OH, OH Mr. Kotter!!!



I would be interested in reading about wheelie techniques for the LC4.



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Old 10-12-2006, 02:46 PM   #4
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well this has nothing at all to do with the Lc4 but I can do some sweet ass wheelies on my 94 DR (or could rather).

I just put it in second gear and get the revvs up to about 4000rpm. Then I compress the fork a tiny bit gas it and up we go fo as long as I can balance it out and keep throttle control.

I never did get the hang of shifting up a gear to third but if I had I could probably ride a wheelie forever on a DR.
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Old 10-12-2006, 03:25 PM   #5
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Lets hear the secret! I can barely get my wheel to pop in 2nd gear on my 640. On the dirt it is easier. I can hit a bump and loft the front using the bump to help. This works in 3rd no problem.
I do all the above in one gear higher. Pop a wheelie in 3rd on flat and in 4th using a bump/hill on the road is possible. The secret is the technique.

I NEVER use the clutch because my bike is light enough that I don't need to. I believe an ADVENTURE will let you loft the front whell with out clutch too. Usually I start a wheelie in 2nd. I chop off the throttle, then wack it open and right after I do that I pull the handlebars towards me. Actually that sounds like I have to put a lot of effort into it, which would be true for the 3rd gear. In 2nd I don't need to pull that hard. The bike is up in no time in 2nd and in 3rd it takes a little bit more time for the front wheel to reach the right height because the bike needs to gain speed as the gear is longer.

The secret is the synchronization of opening the throttle and pulling the bars. It takes practice.

AND NEVER TRY THAT IF YOUR RIGHT FOOT ISN'T READY TO STEP ON THAT BRAKE LEVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Old 10-12-2006, 03:30 PM   #6
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The part I am missing is the chopping the throttle. I will try that when I get my bike back together. I guess that makes the front dive? Then the springs help push the bike back in the right direction to help lift the wheel?
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Old 10-12-2006, 05:22 PM   #7
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I would be interested in reading about sweet jump techniques for the LC4.

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Old 10-12-2006, 08:22 PM   #8
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DY-no-MITE!!!

Are you changing the subject? Or do you mean jumping during a wheelie... ain't that called a bunny hop?
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Old 10-12-2006, 09:03 PM   #9
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Are you changing the subject?
Me?

Change the subject?

Never.... I'm just too fuckin' old for all this wheelie sheisse.
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Old 10-12-2006, 11:16 PM   #10
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Me?

Change the subject?

Never.... I'm just too fuckin' old for all this wheelie sheisse.
Just between you and me, I am not a'tall interested in pulling wheelies down main street; no offense to loisu. But I am interested in the techniques because I have occasion to loft the front end off-road and I would like to be more proficient at it irrespective of speed or warning time.

Also, just between you and I, I have an ulterior motive... I wanted someone to post their techniques with a fairly stock LC4 so that it was apparent that the BST is capable. Sure a pumper will give ya more snap, but the BST has, um what did RR used to say... ah yes:

Adequate Power.

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Old 10-13-2006, 12:19 AM   #11
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A few hints:

First of all - there were times when I knew nothing about carb replacement. So I learnt to wheelie and IMHO became proficient at them with the BST on, on a stock KTM LC4 640. With a bit of luck you can do it in 3rd on such a bike.

My current bike has all the cheap and popular mods and also drilled slide which helps a little but it's not like the bike suddenly started wheelying.

Let's get started.

Go somewhere where there's no traffic (important) and preferably practice up the hill. Don't start big. practice lofting the wheel only. Always the same speed, the same gear, (on LC4 I recommend 2nd).

NEVER ATTEMPT DOING A WHEELIE IF YOU AREN'T READY TO STEP ON THE BRAKE. IT'LL REALLY SAVE YOUR A** !!

You'll forget a million times anyway - that'll only mean you're not ready. I started this thread so it's importat to me that you won't go crashing into lamp posts, bus stops and other things you can normally find on or along the roads :)

When you finally remember about the brake you can more or less loft the wheel in the same way every time, you can start riding on one wheel. By that time you'll kinda know how because trying to remember about the brake and lofting the wheel all the time will provide enough practice that you'll stop being so scared of it. You'll learn to control your throttle in a new way too. While doing a wheelie you just need to be gentle with the throttle. The rear brake is only for security - you won't need it to do sucsessful wheelies. You gotta remember about it.

I'm trying to explain how to do it and not crash a million times before you learn. Some say it's not possible. Well, I never crashed while wheelying and I know how to wheelie. That would mean it IS possible, wouldn't it....??


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Old 10-13-2006, 02:54 AM   #12
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I've tried on easier bikes, on heavier bikes and have always crashed . But I haven't lost hope yet. Keep the good advice coming, please!
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Old 10-13-2006, 03:18 AM   #13
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I've tried on easier bikes, on heavier bikes and have always crashed . But I haven't lost hope yet. Keep the good advice coming, please!
You know what they say... The best place to practice is always in front of the hospital.

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Old 10-15-2006, 01:41 PM   #14
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WOw... That thread just died....

Well, If this doesn't encourage you guys to write a couple of words...I give up.
This is one of my first pictures while wheelying taken with a regular camera and then scanned. It was in 2002 and my first LC4. This pic was taken just after I learnt what the whole thing is about enjoy

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Old 10-15-2006, 02:53 PM   #15
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- A 2km wheelie at constant speed
Hey, thatís against KTMís instructions. I once read that the LC4s should be wheelied only 400 m at a time. Otherwise there might be a shortage of oil. On the EXCs there is no such a limit.

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I NEVER use the clutch because my bike is light enough that I don't need to. I believe an ADVENTURE will let you loft the front whell with out clutch too.
It works! I have always used the clutch, but today I noticed that itís not needed to lift the wheel. Now I just have to practice the balance.
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