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Old 02-03-2010, 03:19 PM   #76
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I wont say that there is any down side to wearing protective gear, but I can say that with a full face helmet and a jacket with shoulder armor I have a hard time turning my head to look behind me when I change lanes. The chin bar of the helmet is always hitting the shoulder pads. I still wear it and just take more time making sure I am clear.
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Old 02-03-2010, 03:33 PM   #77
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Old 02-03-2010, 06:29 PM   #78
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I think the point is that all the safety gear in the world won't prevent accidents, and there is some evidence that wearing gear may make you more prone to getting into accidents. The gear will help you survive the accident. Ride with the attitude that your every action is important and is your main defense against an accident, but don't think your gear will save you from your mistakes.
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Old 02-03-2010, 06:38 PM   #79
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Yeah: non-rain ready stuff gets REALLY heavy when it's soaked.

Just sayin'...
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Old 02-03-2010, 07:50 PM   #80
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Old 02-03-2010, 10:19 PM   #81
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I know one down side

...to ATGATT

Finding a place to put it all. I am a year around rider and I have what amounts to about a cubic yard of gear.
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Old 02-03-2010, 11:16 PM   #82
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Wasn't there just a study released indicating that in states with helmet laws there is no decrease in overall fatalities? I've read the same thing with regard to skiing helmets. Apparently, us humans ratchet up the riding or skiing when wearing helmets, so they don't really save us. When I was a kid and it was a really hot night my dad would take me out riding on his mc to cool off. We wore helmets, but only shorts and t-shirts. Never thought anything of it. When I started riding ATGATT was just hiking boots, jeans, an open-face helmet, and some old work gloves. You might have seen an occasional leather jacket, but certainly nothing with any armor. Nobody thought anything of it. Cars didn't have air bags or even seat belts. We weren't scared. Safety is 95% how you drive, and 5% luck.
The latest studies have found that states that makes helmet repeal laws have an imidiate and sharp rise in motorcycle fatalaties. I've never seen studies that sugest that more safety measures don't make any difference in fatalaties.
Safety is 95% how you drive and 5% luck? Never heard such a thing before, what I have heard is that safety comes through better drivers education, layout of traffic patterns, seperation of pedestrians, bicycle and motorized vehicles, ABS brakes have helped a lot when people finally learned how to use them (look at drivers ed again) airbags have saved countless people from terrible anguish from impact with the steering wheel or winshield, seatbelts have saved more people than any other safety measure invented for cars.
The times you are referring to was a time with a lot less traffic congestion than now and it has to be said that the cars that we now admire for their beautiful interior and exterior designs were mere death traps.
Maybe "Unsafe at Any Speed" rings a bell?

Safety isn't about you being scared or not, it's about giving you and I the best possible outcome of an accident. The vehicle you're driving shouldn't contribute to your death in case of a crash, it should be, in other words, safe to operate for you and those around you.
Helmets, armoured clothing, ABS, anti skid control systems, wheelie prevention systems and whatever the next safety measure they'll invent for motorcycles doesn't kill more people and to say so is absolutely rubbish.
Again, education of new motorcyclist in the US is an absolute joke and that is a very contributing factor to the high amount of motorcycle accidents and also, as the Hurt Report found out and I think that still stands, that there's simply too few of us to make Mr. and Mrs. Cageloaf notice us and if they do indeed notice us the disdain for motorcyclists in the US is still significant and we're not seen upon as being the upstanding pillars of society that we truly are
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Old 02-03-2010, 11:46 PM   #83
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The thing that bothers me the most is the loss of some of my peripheral vision when wearing a full face. I always glance over my shoulder when I change lanes, and my helmet blocks my view of cars behind me. I fear that some idiot doing 100+mph will rear end me because they were in the blind spot and I didn't see them.
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Old 02-04-2010, 12:19 AM   #84
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The thing that bothers me the most is the loss of some of my peripheral vision when wearing a full face. I always glance over my shoulder when I change lanes, and my helmet blocks my view of cars behind me. I fear that some idiot doing 100+mph will rear end me because they were in the blind spot and I didn't see them.
I don't agree with you there, but I guess it depends a bit on how old your helmet is. Mine is two years old and I have excellent peripheral vision and have never needed any more than this helmet gives me. The new helmets have even better view than last years models, but mostly I think it's a mental thing with you. If you got your vision tested I think you'd find you don't lose any. Racers use the same helmets we do (or some of us do, bloody things are expensive damhik) and rely almost entirely on their peripheral vision and speeds are quite a lot faster than on the road.
So there
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Old 02-04-2010, 12:30 AM   #85
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I don't agree with you there, but I guess it depends a bit on how old your helmet is. Mine is two years old and I have excellent peripheral vision and have never needed any more than this helmet gives me. The new helmets have even better view than last years models, but mostly I think it's a mental thing with you. If you got your vision tested I think you'd find you don't lose any. Racers use the same helmets we do (or some of us do, bloody things are expensive damhik) and rely almost entirely on their peripheral vision and speeds are quite a lot faster than on the road.
So there
My helmet is 1 year old, and where the visor ends is where my vision ends. I am not an owl! My open face gives me a better view, I can easily see at least a half mile down the road behind me when glancing over my shoulder wearing it, vs about 100 yards when wearing my full face.
OTOH I am of asian descent, so maybe I have more peripheral vision than you
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Old 02-04-2010, 10:16 AM   #86
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The thing that bothers me the most is the loss of some of my peripheral vision when wearing a full face.
Unless you are a fish or are talking about a helmet made back in the '70's I call
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Old 02-04-2010, 10:47 AM   #87
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Often those folks are very proud of the fact they were ATGATT but gloss over their responsibility in the wreck which IMO is much more important.
I think most who go down with gear are very thankful rather than proud about wearing the stuff.

I'm just about ready to pull the trigger on Motorport gear. Despite the cost it looks like serious protection.
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Old 02-04-2010, 10:56 AM   #88
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In some ways, ATGATT is like trying to stop a rainstorm with a kleenex. Might keep the grass dry for an instant, that's all. Like when the human body hits a telephone pole at 50 mph. You still end up wet.
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Old 02-04-2010, 11:19 AM   #89
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Unless you are a fish or are talking about a helmet made bock in the '70's I call
maybe my chinbar hits my shoulder when I am glancing? I know for a fact I cannot see as far back as when I wear the open face lid.
Why would I make this up? I am not one of those helmet hating idiots that think helmets are dangerous.
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Old 02-04-2010, 11:37 AM   #90
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In some ways, ATGATT is like trying to stop a rainstorm with a kleenex. Might keep the grass dry for an instant, that's all. Like when the human body hits a telephone pole at 50 mph. You still end up wet.
You need better gear and or riding lessons.
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