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Old 11-14-2011, 02:58 AM   #391
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I looked it up and it most closely matches 242...a blue removable medium strength threadlocker.

243 is more royal blue than the others, is removable, medium strength, cures on lightly oily nuts and bolts, cures on non-ferrous metals without the use of a primer (surface insensitive), is good to 360F, and doesn't need to be shaken up before use.

Since it's from Germany, it'll only work on BMW's and some KTM's, use with extreme caution if you use it on one of those Brit or Jap bikes.

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Old 11-25-2011, 07:49 AM   #392
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A few of us with Super Tenere are having some issues with spokes loosening. Too early to say yet whether it's going to be an ongoing problem or just part of the break-in.

Spokes don't have any threadlocker on them from the factory (maybe there's a reason for that?). The idea of undoing every spoke and retightening with Loctite blue doesn't appeal to me for some strange reason. Somebody mentioned that Loctite Green would be the thing to use, since it infiltrates the threads with having to expose them. Any pros and cons to doing this?

On the subject of Green - I haven't seen much mention of it here - what are other good uses for it?

And finally, if green is a go, where to get it? It's not something on the shelf at the local autozone.

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Old 11-25-2011, 07:59 AM   #393
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A few of us with Super Tenere are having some issues with spokes loosening. Too early to say yet whether it's going to be an ongoing problem or just part of the break-in.

Spokes don't have any threadlocker on them from the factory. The idea of undoing every spoke and retightening with Loctite blue doesn't appeal to me for some strange reason. Somebody mentioned that Loctite Green would be the thing to use, since it infiltrates the threads with having to expose them. Any pros and cons to doing this?

On the subject of Green - I haven't seen much mention of it here - what are other good uses for it?

And finally, if green is a go, where to get it? It's not something on the shelf at the local autozone.

thanks

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Most bearing supply houses carry the Loctite line.
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Old 11-25-2011, 10:57 AM   #394
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I don't think the spoke nipples are loosening, the spokes and nipples are seating into the hub and rim. So they should be good with a few more miles on the bikes.

I don't know anything about the green Loctite.
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Old 11-25-2011, 06:00 PM   #395
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Guys, am in the TX hill country riding dirt bikes with Ms. D, and Tiny D on his 30 minute old KTM 250SXF and will give a more complete answer when I get settled back in town.

290 Threadlocker (pn. 29021, 10ml bottle) is a green threadlocker with a viscosity similar to water. It has a breakloose torque of 90 in/lb and a prevailing loosening torque of 260 in/lb. Through capillary action, it wicks into the threads of nuts and bolts that are already assembled.

290 Threadlocker is stronger than the medium strength blue wicking grade threadlocker.

220 Threadlocker (pn. 37388, 10ml bottle) is a low strength blue wicking grade threadlocker for fasteners up to 0.25" and has a breakloose torque of 85 in/lb and a prevailing loosening torque of 170 in/lb.

The theory of using a wicking grade threadlocker would be that you run the wheel, let the nipples seat themselves (if this actually happens) true the wheel again with correct spoke tension, then apply a freefall drop of 290 at the spoke/nipple mating surface.

They'd never loosen unexpectedly ever again, but you could still adjust or remove the nipples if needed.

You're not going to find this stuff at a napa or an auto shack. A bearing house like Motion Industries, Applied, Grainger, Fastenal have these products.

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Old 11-28-2011, 09:01 AM   #396
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Old 11-28-2011, 09:22 PM   #397
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Great - that's the info I was looking for. Thanks mate.
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Old 11-30-2011, 04:16 PM   #398
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Does Loctite make private lable products?
I noticed that Kawasaki has very similar threadlockers to Loctite, all made in the USA.

I was looking for some high-temperature threadlocker for some exhaust bolts.
Loctite makes their red permanent stuff that you need a blowtorch to release.

Kawasaki sells both the red permanent threadlocker that says "High Strength", as well as a very similar red threadlocker that says "High Strength, High heat" with no indication of what kind of temperature they consider "high"

Are these private lable versions of stuff you make and sell, or different versions of stuff you make but only sellthrough them?

I'm having one hell of a problem with exhaust bolts vibrating loose.
These are steel bolts that go hold the exhaust header pipe (HOT) into the aluminum engine block (water cooled, so maybe 250*F or so?
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Old 11-30-2011, 05:06 PM   #399
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Skippi- We do package for private labels for some products but I'm not sure if we do it for Kawasaki though-I don't run in those circles.

Typically anaerobic threadlockers are good for 300F....unless it says somewhere on the label "High Temp"

I've got an application on my 640A (exhaust ) I use one of the ultra high temp blue products.

If the Kawasaki High Temp Red Threadlocker doesn't mention any sort of upper temp service limit I think it would be safe to say 400F or 450F since it would jive with other "High Temp" threadlockers.

The ultra high temp blue threadlocker is good for 650F. pn. 1134601, 2422 Threadlocker, 30gm syringe. It's a light blue pasty type product. If you're dealing with a blind hole, one that doesn't go all the way through, peruse the earlier posts to find that product application description.

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Old 11-30-2011, 05:50 PM   #400
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Does Loctite make private lable products?
I noticed that Kawasaki has very similar threadlockers to Loctite, all made in the USA.

I was looking for some high-temperature threadlocker for some exhaust bolts.
Loctite makes their red permanent stuff that you need a blowtorch to release.

Kawasaki sells both the red permanent threadlocker that says "High Strength", as well as a very similar red threadlocker that says "High Strength, High heat" with no indication of what kind of temperature they consider "high"

Are these private lable versions of stuff you make and sell, or different versions of stuff you make but only sellthrough them?

I'm having one hell of a problem with exhaust bolts vibrating loose.
These are steel bolts that go hold the exhaust header pipe (HOT) into the aluminum engine block (water cooled, so maybe 250*F or so?
Safety wire.
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Old 11-30-2011, 06:23 PM   #401
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Safety wire.
Safety wire does nothing to stop galvanic corrosion, rustlock, or loss of clampload.



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Safety wire does nothing to stop galvanic corrosion, rustlock, or loss of clampload.



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But it keeps anything from falling off the bike. Wired exhaust header bolts/nuts are required by some racing organizations. Nickel anti-seize compound helps with rustlock and corrosion. If copper rings are used to seal the headpipes, they compress over time and clampload is lost for that reason, and retightening is required anyway, regardless of the retaining system.
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Old 11-30-2011, 07:04 PM   #403
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But it keeps anything from falling off the bike. Wired exhaust header bolts/nuts are required by some racing organizations. Nickel anti-seize compound helps with rustlock and corrosion. If copper rings are used to seal the headpipes, they compress over time and clampload is lost for that reason, and retightening is required anyway, regardless of the retaining system.
Given the number of times I've lost these exhaust bolts (and, whenever I lose more than one at a time, lose the copper crush gaskets as well), I was definately thinking about safety wire. They're just in a really awkward place to wire. Figured I'd try this first.

Thanks for the info, DS.
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Old 12-15-2011, 09:50 AM   #404
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Team a few of you have heard of Andersaroundtheworld.com -the guy from Denmark and occasional ADVrider poster.

A few weeks back he passed through town to get a new rear mounted at the Cycle Gear Store my friend Robbi runs. Robbi found out he needed a tire, nothing suitable was available in New Orleans, and he ordered a tire for Anders.

Anyway, here's a short clip of me helping outfit a fellow global traveller. Click away if you want a good chuckle:

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Nice, good stuff.

I'm following Anders on our Danish offroadforum. A trip of a lifetime for sure.
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