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Old 08-20-2010, 07:05 AM   #1501
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Any model XR 200 springs or a particular year to fit the XT?
Is the XR 200 spring length good or does it need to be cut down?
Man, aftermarket rear shock prices are ridiculous!
Progressive Suspension 11-1136
They are a little longer than stock so you just need to use a smaller spacer.
About a 1/4" shorter.
I just put a set in and I'm going to see how they work in the woods on Sunday. I'm not expecting any miracles, but they were free, and I don't expect they will be worse.
I hear Race Tech's Gold Valve emulators(XR200) work too.

You can find all of this out on the interwebz, but it takes some time and good Google Fu. Most of it is either in this thread or in ThumperTalk
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Old 08-21-2010, 06:04 AM   #1502
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Re...

Thanks for the info on the XR springs. I'll be riding mine today and tomorrow.
I am checking out how the stockers work with 15 wt oil in them, and the bike already had the 2" spacers in it. I'm familiar with the emulators as I use them in my 83/84 Husky vintage race bikes.
The way the bike runs, I suspect that the jetting was redone as well.
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Old 08-21-2010, 01:23 PM   #1503
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Hi,

Anyone uses a No Toil air filter? If so, please, could you show a photo? I'm looking to improve the air filter and I would like to see how the No Toil compares with the UNI that actually I'm using

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Old 08-21-2010, 01:25 PM   #1504
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About front fork progressive springs, I just ordered a Wilbers set, 109 Euros including shipping and 1 litter of Wilbers oil. I will let you all know how they work. I will take some pictures if some one is interested

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Old 08-21-2010, 01:34 PM   #1505
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rear shock

About rear shock, these guys make two imprensive (but expensive) options, fully customizable, for our bike:

http://www.tfxsuspension.com

(Just look for the XT350 in their product database)

Prices in the EUR 450 - 600 range, depending on the shock model and options.

BTW, they also have front fork springs

HTH
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Old 08-23-2010, 09:59 AM   #1506
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Progressive spring report

As I mentioned earlier, I made some suspension changes. I got a chance to test them out this past weekend.
The changes were.
XR200 Progressive springs instead of stock.
New fork preload spacer that is about 1/4" shorter than stock to make up for the extra length of the new springs.
ATF instead of 15wt fork oil.
Decreased the rear preload. I basically put it back to stock. I had previously moved the snap ring down a notch on the shock body.

It might seem odd that I softened up the suspension but for what I'm riding it makes sense.

So what am I riding? you ask.
I'm riding in Michigan so that meant lots of sand.
This includes whooped out(sandy) Quad trails.
Higher speed normally sandy but not quite as whooped out ORV trails(min 72").
Tight wooded single track with roots and rocks(and sand).
The occasional dirt road.(by dirt, I mean sand)
Dotted throughout all of this is the occasional stretch of flowing perfectly bermed loamy forest trail that makes you forget about the sand.

Disclaimer: All descriptions of suspension performance are relative. Keep the following in mind.
1. My skill level/experience. The XT350 is the only bike I've really ridden off road. I spent some time on my brothers well tuned YZ125 on the track but that was several years ago. It did give me an idea of what a good setup should feel like, but I'm no expert.

2. The inherent limitation of the XT suspension. At it's best, it will never be as good as the worst modern dirt bike suspension.

3. Whoops suck. I hate them. I realize my bike will never be able to blast through a bunch of whoops, but anything I can do to help them suck less is worth it.

Observations from previous ride:
I noticed the last time I was out, the suspension never bottomed and I was getting a lot of po-going. This was most noticeable in the whoops where I should have bottomed at least once in a while. If they are small and close, I'll usually try to blast them and there is always one that will surprise you. I just roll the big ones, and try(and usually fail) to hop from top to top on the medium ones.

Not only was I not using all of the travel, the crappy damping was even more overwhelmed than normal.

In the single track it was doing OK. Traction was good and I only got a little deflection on roots and rocks. I can usually keep up in that anyway because of the soft suspension is a plus and the tractor like power of the 350 makes lugging easy.

The wide sandy routes have never been a problem. 3rd or 4th gear WFO, lean back, hold on and go with the flow. Don't chop the throttle.

This ride:
Whoops - Less PoGoing. Seemed to soak up a bit more. It could be all in my head, but It wasn't worse so that's good.

Singletrack - Noticeably better. This surprised me. I wasn't really looking for any gains here. The forks soak up even more junk and deflect less. The rear has better traction.

Fast Routes. Still works well.

I noticed 2 things that I will have to change my riding style to compensate for.
1. The initial extra softness in the front will cause the front end to auger in faster when you slow down in the deep sand. I may change the preload in the front depending on the amount of sand I'll be riding.

2. With the increased rear traction, I can't steer with the back tire quit as easily. I'll get used to it.
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Old 08-23-2010, 12:04 PM   #1507
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Well I guess I'm the owner of an XT350 now. It has some issuse with the plastics but runs well and shifts good. I will be doing some searching and picking the brains of you guys in the near future.

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Old 08-23-2010, 12:06 PM   #1508
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XT225 Vs 350 speed

How much more speed do you get out of your 350's above the XT225?
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Old 08-24-2010, 03:04 PM   #1509
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Well since I have the XT now I need to start fixing a few things.

But I do have a question for you guys, What is the largest rear tire you can run on the rear. I should say the widest.

The one that is on it now looks like it could have been on my XR650L.
It is rubbing the swing arm, muffler and the fender.

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Old 08-24-2010, 04:11 PM   #1510
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What is the largest rear tire you can run on the rear. I should say the widest.

The one that is on it now looks like it could have been on my XR650L.
It is rubbing the swing arm, muffler and the fender
What size are you running actually?

The stock size is 110/80-18. I think you can run also a 4.00-18 or 4.10-18
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Old 08-24-2010, 07:19 PM   #1511
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What size are you running actually?

The stock size is 110/80-18. I think you can run also a 4.00-18 or 4.10-18
130/90-18 . Pretty sure that is what the 650 had on it. It is OK on the street but if I go off road it will rub everything. I will be replacing it with a D606 just want the biggest one that will fit correctly.

The fork seals will need replaced and I will be doing the 2" spacer mod to the forks then. Headlight mounting has issues and the tach mounting bracket is broken and tach in inop.
I heard that there is a rebuild kit for the petcock, this one will not turn. I don't want to break it off so I have left it alone for right now.

Went riding with my son this evening and bike runs pretty well. Baffle fell out of the muffler. Looks like the screw fell out. Might be moding it anyway. Just threw it in the tail bag and kept riding. It will be a work in progress but over all seems like a decent bike.

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Old 08-25-2010, 08:17 AM   #1512
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Hi Folks!

Last time i stripped my bike, i built the wiring system without using sockets.

I routed all the wires to a box which i connected everything accordingly.

This way everything is neater and easier to service.

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Old 08-25-2010, 10:34 AM   #1513
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I heard that there is a rebuild kit for the petcock, this one will not turn.
Buy a new one. About $16. My dealer had them in stock. I suspect they're common to several bikes.
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Old 08-25-2010, 01:01 PM   #1514
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Buy a new one. About $16. My dealer had them in stock. I suspect they're common to several bikes.
Cool. Thanks
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Old 08-25-2010, 01:42 PM   #1515
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I routed all the wires to a box which i connected everything accordingly.
Good job, SKY. Does the box fit without issues with the fuel tank? Just wondering

You seems to have good knowledge about electrical systems, so I will ask a question: what flasher relay will work well for leds or for 10w bulbs? I changed my flasher lights, but they don't flash with 10w bulbs, I need to replace the bulbs with 21w ones (stock ones), but they burn the plastic very often. I would like to mount 10w bulbs to fix the issue completely

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