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Old 01-13-2013, 08:01 PM   #55906
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The valves were just readjusted 80miles after reassembly and 40 miles ago. Does make sense though, kicker felt soft when I went to go about and hour later, I should probly check it cold then run it up to temp and see how much it tightens. Right now I'm running stock clearences .002 and .004.

Tappy valves are happy valves but how tappy is happy? I can't believe I said that

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I wonder if it is running lean at highway speed and getting too hot.
I'm running a 120jet in the primary and a 118 in the secondary can I swap those around to get it to run cooler at highway speed. I do have a 122 if needed.
.002 and .004? That is tight, i don't care what the book says. Try running them at .006 and .008 and see how it starts.
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Old 01-14-2013, 08:08 AM   #55907
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How are your rides going today?

Thanks for the help on the tire guys. I thought we were going to have to go home and get a truck when I could not get it to hold air for more than a couple of minutes. That would have sucked.

It was a great ride today. Alan really knows his way around. He took us to a couple of really cool places that I have never been to before. It turns out that there is a real switch back here in Central Ohio.

I was pretty tired by the time that I got home. Some of those spots were a challenge on the 650 and some of the roads required a lot concentration to pick a good line in the ice, snow, shiny mud, and new gravel.

Glad you are OK, Mark!
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Old 01-14-2013, 08:37 AM   #55908
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:30 AM   #55909
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.002 and .004? That is tight, i don't care what the book says. Try running them at .006 and .008 and see how it starts.
I know the Dr runs .003-.005" if that helps any.
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Old 01-14-2013, 10:53 AM   #55910
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.002 and .004? That is tight, i don't care what the book says. Try running them at .006 and .008 and see how it starts.
Gen 1 KLR650 is 0.1- 0.2mm (.004-.008") Intake and 0.15 - .25mm (.006-.010") Exhaust. I set it up on the loose end of the spec, it runs great & starts easy. Your values seem very tight, must be a more performance oriented engine. What isn't?

You stated that compression felt weak when kicking it, sure it was TDC? Also is there an auto decompressor adjustment after the valves are adjusted? At least it's a Honda so you don't have those damn shims!
Here is a write-up I found on ADV http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=570015
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Old 01-14-2013, 04:01 PM   #55911
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You stated that compression felt weak when kicking it, sure it was TDC? Also is there an auto decompressor adjustment after the valves are adjusted? At least it's a Honda so you don't have those damn shims!
Here is a write-up I found on ADV http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=570015


Thanks buddy

It didn't have a manual decompressor when I bought it and the kicker/auto decompressor cable broke and I never replaced it due to unpopular reports so TDC is pretty hard to miss. You really have to lean on it and wait for it to pass TDC on it's own. When cold that is.

I almost have that write up memerized





I plan to bring it home later this week, If right I should be able to readjust the carb where it was and it will start and run fine. I'll ride it home and check the valves hot and see what I get (besides burnt) and if it is tight as I think it will be I'll open it up once cold to .004 and .008 and test run it again 30miles and see what happens.
I still wonder about switching the jets around so I'll check the plug real close and go from there.



I really apprectiate your guys help and hope to get this bike tip top so I can show off my crashing skills this year
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Old 01-14-2013, 04:09 PM   #55912
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Thanks buddy

It didn't have a manual decompressor when I bought it and the kicker/auto decompressor cable broke and I never replaced it due to unpopular reports so TDC is pretty hard to miss. You really have to lean on it and wait for it to pass TDC on it's own. When cold that is.
I almost have that write up memerized
I plan to bring it home later this week, If right I should be able to readjust the carb where it was and it will start and run fine. I'll ride it home and check the valves hot and see what I get (besides burnt) and if it is tight as I think it will be I'll open it up once cold to .004 and .008 and test run it again 30miles and see what happens.
I still wonder about switching the jets around so I'll check the plug real close and go from there.
I really apprectiate your guys help and hope to get this bike tip top so I can show off my crashing skills this year
I was just thinking out loud, I know sometimes it doesn't take much for me to have an AHA moment. Good luck with the carbs.
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Old 01-14-2013, 07:33 PM   #55913
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Anyone know the best way clear Honeysuckle? From what I can tell you need to try to pull it out of the ground hopefully getting most of the roots.
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Old 01-14-2013, 08:02 PM   #55914
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I belive my main problem is the adjustment of the pilot mixture screw, it's an 87 with the california twin carbs so no air screw...
Most thumpers do not have an air screw, just a fuel screw between the slide and the manifold to the head, the 2 strokes I owned had air screws between the slide and airbox boot. Some of these had aluminum caps over them so you couldn't adjust them. We'd just drill a small hole in them and run a screw into it so it could be pulled out. Most of my Hondas had a brass or copper BB in a hole and it was peened in to block fuel and air passages. Don't drill those!

If the secondary carb is not shutting all the way, too much air may be getting by the slide causing a lean spot.

If the idle is set too high, and the fuel/air screw is out of adjustment, the bike will run differently between hot and cold.

Get the motor hot and set the mixture screw at 1.5 turn out from seated gently. Try to get the idle screw out as far as you can and get the idle up using the mixture screw. Your slide may be too high and you may be adding too much fuel for a warm engine and flooding it. Great when cold but not so when warm. Your carb has all kinds of passages in it for air and fuel to bypass the slide when closed.

A simple test to try with a hot engine. If you blip the throttle and the engine slowly revs down or takes a while to rev down, then you may be lean. If the engine slows down rapidly and start to die, it may be rich.

Hope you get it figured out



btw, all I did was change the valve cover gasket on mine and the intake valve went tight and wouldn't start at all.
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Old 01-14-2013, 08:04 PM   #55915
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Anyone know the best way clear Honeysuckle? From what I can tell you need to try to pull it out of the ground hopefully getting most of the roots.
I'm no yard care expert, but this worked for me. Cut it short in the spring, and paint the stumps with Ortho brush killer straight from the bottle. I'm not sure if you can still buy the stuff though. I've had the same bottle for a long time.
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Old 01-14-2013, 08:11 PM   #55916
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I belive my main problem is the adjustment of the pilot mixture screw, it's an 87 with the california twin carbs so no air screw,

One setting she starts great cold with a real good idle and rev but then sometimes not all the time doesn't want to start hot.

Once adjusted to start hot it will have a a cough/backfire through the carbs every couple of seconds for about 10mins that can kill it and have a stuck high idle.

Going back and looking at this, the hot start setting sounds too lean for idle.

My 950 backfired through the carbs when I got it too lean with the needle.
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Old 01-14-2013, 08:13 PM   #55917
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I'm no yard care expert, but this worked for me. Cut it short in the spring, and paint the stumps with Ortho brush killer straight from the bottle. I'm not sure if you can still buy the stuff though. I've had the same bottle for a long time.
Gallon or so of Bleach will destroy any vegetation. Breaks down the cell walls.
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Old 01-14-2013, 08:29 PM   #55918
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Old 01-15-2013, 03:25 AM   #55919
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Anyone know the best way clear Honeysuckle? From what I can tell you need to try to pull it out of the ground hopefully getting most of the roots.
A product called Tordon RTU is a good stump killer. It comes in a quart squeeze bottlle so you just squirt the cutoff stump. Rual King carries it. Carl
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Old 01-15-2013, 04:31 AM   #55920
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Anyone know the best way clear Honeysuckle? From what I can tell you need to try to pull it out of the ground hopefully getting most of the roots.
A few goats would keep it in check.
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