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Old 12-16-2007, 03:35 PM   #76
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Left to right: Ultimate Ear custom molded UE11; Etymotic ER4P; Etymotic ER6i; Q-Jays; Shure SE310; Shure SE420; Shure SE530.
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Old 12-16-2007, 04:49 PM   #77
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With the right in ear monitor (IEM), whatever brand/price point you choose, you're going to get good sound isolation and FAR better sound than I've personally ever heard from any helmet mounted speakers. Yes, there would be 2 cords (rather than 1) to connect to the typical intercom system, but most folks seem to have figured out adapters, etc. and it doesn't seem to be a big deal.

I always wear custom molded ear plugs. They kill all the road and wind noise, so it is not a matter of turning up the volume.

The issue is those cables slap around in the wind or you tug on one and then, that IEM
pulls out. Helmet spaekers are the only way for me to get around that, or maybe a nice piece of duct tape.
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Old 12-17-2007, 12:32 PM   #78
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The issue is those cables slap around in the wind or you tug on one and then, that IEM
pulls out.
Up around the top of the ears, keeper at the back of the neck, into the jacket and under the arms, route as needed.

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As helmet speakers are rather bigger, I'd ASSUME that it would be easier to get better sound out of them.
Bad assumption. The best of the ear canal headphones are easily as good as the best of the full sized cans.

Also, doing the hack job on your helmet to install speakers might compromise the safety features of the helmet. Ear canal headphones..


(Guess I'm showing my opinion pretty strongly here. Sorry, that's what I got.)
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Old 12-24-2007, 08:06 PM   #79
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Er61 and the iPhone

Just a heads up that the iphone uses a different plug than regular headphones/IEM. Their plug has to insert deeper into the device.

I just got a pair of ER6i's for Xmas and sure enough - they didn't work with the iPhone.

The good news - nothing a sharp knife can't fix. What good is a Xmas present if you can't take a knife to it

Anyway, if you liberally trim the rubber plug away from the top of the connector, it will eventually fit into the iPhone.

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Old 12-24-2007, 08:35 PM   #80
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Merry Christmas to me.

I just fired up my new Q-Jays, ( Christmas gift to myself ). Indeed they are tiny. The fit is very easy after a few tries. They do indeed have good sound attenuation from ambient noise. You can hear conversation if you try, but not with any audio turned on. As far as the sound quality is concerned, I am very impressed. I gave up many years ago on keeping up with the Joneses as far as high end audio is concerned, but these babies are very impressive for the price.

I am going to try to keep them installed for several hours at a time to test out the wearability before bike season returns. I am really quite pleased that I will be able to get quality audio after years of helmet speakers over earplugs.

Thanks for the tip-off on the Q-jays, as I was going to go with ER6i's. I find the earseals of the Q-jays more comfortable than the etymotic earseals that I have.

So far after five hours I have had to replace one filter though. It takes almost no contamination to reduce the sound transmission dramatically. A tad scary until you figure out the problem. I guess I'll carry a few packs of filters and some strong reading glasses to replace them on the road. Otherwise, so far so good. As well, my kids won't be trying them out and gooping them up, aftter the novelty wears off.


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Old 12-30-2007, 09:34 PM   #81
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I'm looking for some earphones to especially help reduce wind noise. I think the I'll go the q-jays route for sound quality, but what about wind noise reduction?

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Old 01-03-2008, 11:53 AM   #82
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I'm looking for some earphones to especially help reduce wind noise. I think the I'll go the q-jays route for sound quality, but what about wind noise reduction?

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The passive noise attenuation of most in-ear monitors will do wonders for reducing wind noise and the fatigue associated with it.
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Old 01-03-2008, 11:58 AM   #83
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I'm looking for some earphones to especially help reduce wind noise. I think the I'll go the q-jays route for sound quality, but what about wind noise reduction?
Sorry, mate, don't know how I missed you post; and thanks Nate!

The q-Jays will get you about 23dB of attenuation----basically what yellow-foamy ear plugs will get you. Much better than noise-cancelling and sealed cans. These type of headphones are the best way to get sound isolation.
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Old 01-24-2008, 10:10 AM   #84
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Cheers for the great thread, itís exactly what Iíve been looking for.

I want a pair of IEMs for use in connection with my autocom system (with ipod and phone). Iíll also use them just with my ipod when not on the bike.

I had been looking at the Shure SE series, Westone UM2s and the q-JAYS.

Autocom suggest not exceeding 32 Ohms for their system (the impedance of the supplied speakers), so that would pretty much exclude the q-JAYS, as they are rated at 39 Ohms, which is a shame, as they would appear to have the lowest profile, and therefore I would expect are the most comfortable under a helmet.

Incidentally, how are people finding the q-JAYS after a bit of use? It doesnít seem that there is much to pull on when extracting them, do you end up pulling the wire, can it sustain that activity (the wire looks more fragile compared to that of the Shures)?

Another biking website swears by the Westones, rating the Shures a close second. As I can get the equivalent Shure SE420s (22 Ohms) much cheaper than the UM2s (27 Ohms), I was erring on that side. My only concern is that the part of the IEMs that remains in the concha look like they might protrude a little too much and would be uncomfortable with extended use under a helmet, pressing against the side of the ear. The SE210s (26 Ohms) and SE310s (28 Ohms) are smaller, but I would prefer dual armatures. Does anyone have any feedback on this issue?

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Old 01-24-2008, 12:06 PM   #85
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Old 01-25-2008, 06:08 AM   #86
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The only problem with the Ultimate Ears for cycling is their size - way too much protrusion from the ear! As for sound quality, I've compared them against Shure & Ety, and UE 5 for me is it!
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Old 01-25-2008, 07:13 AM   #87
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Autocom suggest not exceeding 32 Ohms for their system (the impedance of the supplied speakers), so that would pretty much exclude the q-JAYS, as they are rated at 39 Ohms, which is a shame, as they would appear to have the lowest profile, and therefore I would expect are the most comfortable under a helmet.
I really wouldn't worry about the headphone impedance too much. 39 Ohm shouldn't be a problem at all.

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Incidentally, how are people finding the q-JAYS after a bit of use? It doesnít seem that there is much to pull on when extracting them, do you end up pulling the wire, can it sustain that activity (the wire looks more fragile compared to that of the Shures)?
It's still early on (they've only been out a few months) but we are now beginning to see that the Q-Jays filters clog very easily. So they aren't a good headphone if you're going to be sweating. The cables seem to be doing fine so far. I still think they're the ticket for under helmets.

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Another biking website swears by the Westones, rating the Shures a close second. As I can get the equivalent Shure SE420s (22 Ohms)
I don't find the the Westones to be very good sounding. I'd prefer the Shures. The 420s are a little bigger than the others Shures, my guess is that it would depend on your helmet and ears wether it's too big or not. I'd say the 420s are borderline.

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Do you all really think the Q-Jays are worth the extra 100$'s over the er6i's?




Notice that the 6i's in this photo have the large rubber plug, but you can also use them with the small plug, which is basically the first two segments of the rubber plug, with the last large segment removed. That's how I use them and they fit super. Can remove my helmet without them coming loose. I also run the wire up over my ear like the Shure models, and have little of the microphoning through the wire.

the 6i's can be found for 70$ on Amazon. Well worth the price!

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Old 01-25-2008, 12:29 PM   #90
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Do you all really think the Q-Jays are worth the extra 100$'s over the er6i's?
Worth is sometimes not easy to quantify broadly; kinda depends on how much you care about sound quality, comfort, etc.

I do think the Q-Jays are moderately better sounding than the 6i, and I've got quite a bit more confidence that it will fit well under a helmet. But the 6i has been around for a while and being quite mature they do offer quite a bit of performance for what the can be had for. I certainly think your comments are legit.

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