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Old 12-13-2007, 10:57 PM   #1
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KTM 300xc dual sport

I'm looking at a new 300xc, or an '06 400exc. The 400 is streetlegal, the 300 I want to make street legal. I really like the 2 stroke power and light weight. I like the 4 stroke for practicality, and its cheaper. How do the 450s compare to these choices? How would the 400 compare in power and weight to the 450s thats are on the market?
Is the 300 even remotely streetable? I really don't care about comfort on longer rides. I just want lots of power in a light package to rip around the tight stuff.
I have a TA for longer adventure rides. I want a bike to play with at the track, and do single track or more technical rides.
Any input would be great.
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Old 12-14-2007, 01:44 AM   #2
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I'm looking at a new 300xc, or an '06 400exc. The 400 is streetlegal, the 300 I want to make street legal. I really like the 2 stroke power and light weight. I like the 4 stroke for practicality, and its cheaper. How do the 450s compare to these choices? How would the 400 compare in power and weight to the 450s thats are on the market?
Is the 300 even remotely streetable? I really don't care about comfort on longer rides. I just want lots of power in a light package to rip around the tight stuff.
I have a TA for longer adventure rides. I want a bike to play with at the track, and do single track or more technical rides.
Any input would be great.
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I have a 300xc dual sport, great off road, not so great on road. The 450 is your all around dual sport.
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Old 12-14-2007, 07:04 AM   #3
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I'm looking at a new 300xc, or an '06 400exc. The 400 is streetlegal, the 300 I want to make street legal. I really like the 2 stroke power and light weight. I like the 4 stroke for practicality, and its cheaper. How do the 450s compare to these choices? How would the 400 compare in power and weight to the 450s thats are on the market?
Is the 300 even remotely streetable? I really don't care about comfort on longer rides. I just want lots of power in a light package to rip around the tight stuff.
I have a TA for longer adventure rides. I want a bike to play with at the track, and do single track or more technical rides.
Any input would be great.
Cheers

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If you enjoy a strained cruise at about 50 mph the two stroke would be great for you on the road,the four stroke will wear out fairly quickly compared to say a Dr650 or some other street bike type dual sport. The 400 to me seemed kind of slow and weighs the same as a 525,I had a 06 with a plate on it and on the technical trails around here the two strokes work much better. Hard to get perfection in a dual sport.
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Old 12-14-2007, 09:17 AM   #4
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It all depends on what you want to do with it. If you are looking for trail to trail only the 300XC might be tolerable, but it is a close ratio MX transmission. For any more than a few miles the 300 XCW with its wide ratio transmission would have some longer legs. Of any 2 stroke, the 300 would be best suited to DSing. The 300 will pull some tall gearing and you could probably get it to cruise at highway speed. I have though of doing it with mine but I don't really need it. I would just end up riding it to work all the time and racking up miles on it.

So then comes the options of the 4 strokes. The 400 a lot of guys like. The EXCs have some legs on them because of their transmissions. The 450s are easier to find and have some more power and snap. Thye only benefit you will have with the 4 stroke is better streetablity and fuel range/ options.
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Old 12-14-2007, 09:51 AM   #5
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There must a 100+ posts on this topic at ktmtalk. Compared to my old '05 450exc, for me, the 300xcw is much better for the tight stuff (I've heard the xc is probably better for more open work). The 450 was fun for more open stuff, but I can ride much longer & faster in single track on my 300. Having said that, the new '08 450exc/xcw is a short stroke like the 400. Noticable difference in the tighter conditions. Still not a 300 with the agility, but not bad. I'd be faster over the course of a ride with a fair amount of tight stuff on a 400 or the new 450 than the old long stroke 450. BTW, a lot of guys gear down the 400 big time, so it should be plenty fast (and smoother & more rev'y than the 450).

Like others said, for as much fun the 300 is offroad, its the opposite on road. Thats where the 4-s shines comparitively. My 300 is plated; I ride it on turkey runs & with a couple of miles of road here & there, but its no commuter bike.

I'd be torn between the 2 bikes (though I'd opt for the W version of the 300). The 300 is a load of fun, and is a little less maintenance. The 400 is known as a woods weapon as well (450 not so much in comparison), and will be smoother / more versatile outside of the woods. My take on it is it comes down to personal preference on 2 vs 4; they are both very capable in role your looking for.
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Old 12-14-2007, 03:04 PM   #6
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So now I can't find any 300xcw up here. That was my idea, not the XC, which is what everyone is stocking. They have the 530exc-r which is plated already, and about the same weight as the 450, but with the longer stroke.
The 530 seems like the kind of beast I want, but too much for tighter trails I would think. Or will the torque be a big help?
The 400 would be cheaper insurance, I'm just worried about the lack of power.
I see why people own like 10 bikes now.

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Old 12-14-2007, 04:48 PM   #7
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imho smaller engiend bikes are easier to ride on tight trails (to a point anyway). A 400cc four stroke already has more low end power than I want or need, a 500-something wouldn't make life easier in tight stuff. That said, the new thumpers are amazingly docile for how much power they make and it wouldn't be a chore at all to manage on on tight trails. If picking a bike specifically for tight trails the 200 is amazingly good (also very good on moderately open stuff too), but then I'm a huge fan of smallish two strokes
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Old 12-14-2007, 04:51 PM   #8
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The KTM 300 is the bike to have here in NewEnglands rocks,roots and mud in my and many others opinions. The footrests will put your feet to sleep with the vibrations on the road. (I have a plated 250) If you want a plated dirtbike that you can hit the tar with to get to the next trail, the 300 is the One. More than 5 miles at a stretch on roads drive me nuts on mine.
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Old 12-14-2007, 04:59 PM   #9
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I have an '08 450exc and I'm really impressed with it. It handles much better than the '05, and I prefer the power delivery as well (little smoother & more rev'y). I still think the 300 is a better woods weapon, but the new 450 isn't bad. However, the new 450 has the short stroke motor and the 530 has the old longer stroke motor (still much better handling than the old 525).

Having said that, the 400 I bet is significantly less expensive, and if you're primarily riding in tight woods, you shouldn't have any beef with the power. If you find in time that it doesn't have the power you want, you can hop it up to a 453cc, which seems to be a popular mod. In the northeast, its tough to find 400's for sale because people like them so much for tough single track. Not so much with the 450 and 525... Nothing quite like being on a "manly" big bore 4-s stroke in the woods & getting smoked by guys riding 200 2-s's....
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Old 12-14-2007, 05:00 PM   #10
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The KTM 300 is the bike to have here in NewEnglands rocks,roots and mud in my and many others opinions. The footrests will put your feet to sleep with the vibrations on the road. (I have a plated 250) If you want a plated dirtbike that you can hit the tar with to get to the next trail, the 300 is the One. More than 5 miles at a stretch on roads drive me nuts on mine.
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Old 12-14-2007, 05:57 PM   #11
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Of any 2 stroke, the 300 would be best suited to DSing.
I disagree - I'm in the process of dualsporting my KTM 550 two stroke.
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Old 12-15-2007, 04:03 AM   #12
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If you really don't care about comfort on the road the 300 is it but only in a xcw. The xc will hurt you to much on the road. The other thing to remember is your gas range. If i'm running around on my 300 i figure 3 hours MAX with a 3.3 gal tank. If your spanking it alot in deep sand 2 hours. My wr400 with the same fuel load last forever. Every time i pull off the pavement i'm thinking of the 300 though. My brother just picked up a 525. It's the best comprimise i've tried if the overheating can be cured. It doesn't like to go slow.
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