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Old 03-03-2009, 12:07 PM   #61
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Interesting idea but how are you going to remove the duct tape once the tire is mounted?
You just use the duct tape to get it on the rim, you remove the tape before you air it up.

Probably work better than straps because it is thinner and slicker.

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Old 03-03-2009, 01:29 PM   #62
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You just use the duct tape to get it on the rim, you remove the tape before you air it up.

Probably work better than straps because it is thinner and slicker.

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Last time I checked duct tape does not slide once applied. So you are going to have a piece or several layers of duct tape between the rim and the tire. With the strap you just pull it out. With the duct tape you will need to cut it and then peel it. There isn't that much room to work between the tire and rim once the tire is mounted. I don't think that is going to be as easy as it sounds but have fun busting your knuckles.
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Old 03-03-2009, 01:31 PM   #63
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Last time I checked duct tape does not slide once applied. So you are going to have a piece or several layers of duct tape between the rim and the tire. With the strap you just pull it out. With the duct tape you will need to cut it and then peel it. There isn't that much room to work between the tire and rim once the tire is mounted. I don't think that is going to be as easy as it sounds but have fun busting your knuckles.
The outside of duct tape is pretty slick. Cutting it off wont be a problem, and slipping it out shouldn't be that hard.

But since I have only changed tires conventionally, a few hundred, I do not have direct experience with it. Still, if your goal is to be toolless, then this makes sense, especially on the road. IMHO

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Old 03-03-2009, 03:24 PM   #64
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I don't have that many straps.I wonder if I could just use one strap to bring the beads together and wrap duct tape at that point and then repeat the process moving the strap each time untill the 8 pieces of duct tape were holding the beads securely.I have a big box of duct tape from a yard sale,must be fifty rolls.
Since you have the market cornered on duct tape sure, why not try and use it.

As others are saying, removing the duct tape may pose a problem. Covering the tire beads where the the tape adhesive crosses them will help. Try these tips.

Get a 1gal. water jug and cut the belly of it into duct-tape-wide strips. Lay those strips over the bead and apply the 'bands' of duct tape over it. The plastic strips will keep the duct tape adhesive off of the beads, and removal will be easy.

Or double up a portion of the duct tape band, adhesive-to-adhesive. You know, reverse-facing. Fashion the bands of duct tape with a short section of tape applied adhesive-to-adhesive, and place that reversed section over the tire beads.


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Old 03-03-2009, 07:33 PM   #65
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Reminds me of a funny story my dad told me. He went fishing on a canal in Liverpool and had to park his car in a seedy side street so he took his Alsatian dog with him. When he parked and started to walk away with his fishing tackle three scruffy kids came up and said "we'll watch your car for you Mr. for a few shillings." Dad replied, "Don't need watching, got my Alsatian in there." As he got farther away one of the kids shouted, "Hey Mr. can your dog inflate tires!"
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Old 03-04-2009, 09:54 AM   #66
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By the time you setup 8 straps and dance on the bead, those of us with the right tools and technique are already heading down the road.

I appreciate the ingenuity, but if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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Old 03-04-2009, 05:16 PM   #67
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Didn't see this thread until now. Fantastic idea Poolside, thanks for sharing. I gotta tire to change in another thousand or so and will try this and your hacksaw removal ideas out.

Here's another option that I just came up with to pinch the beads together. I usually carry this 20' strip of 3mm climbing cord on camping trips for tarps, strapping luggage, etc. with a few Figure 9's for ease of adjusting/tightening, all together about the volume of 2 golf balls.

Pretty quick & easy to set up by pinching the tire between your knees while both hands are free to wrap/tighten the cord. You can easily take up any remaining slack by kneeling on the tire and jamming a rock or something at alternate positions around the tire (see multi-tool for example). Not sure how easily the cord will pull out of the tire though, but if you work it from both ends, you'll have to unwrap 10' x 2.




PS.... don't forget about the penny-tech bead breaker to complete the tire changing kit. Clicky
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Old 03-04-2009, 06:19 PM   #68
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I like the rope idea, I have a length of rope around for various purposes anyways. I'd have to wander down to the store to get straps.
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Who da thunk it

Thanks for the info, very good info to have - espically if traveling.
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Old 03-04-2009, 08:57 PM   #70
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By the time you setup 8 straps and dance on the bead, those of us with the right tools and technique are already heading down the road.

I appreciate the ingenuity, but if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Poolmans approach would be of great help away from home, when the tools aren't available. And practice before hand is way better (under 'controlled' conditions) since it can only help when you're stuck in the middle of who knows where so the process won't be 'all new'.

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Old 03-04-2009, 10:43 PM   #71
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Fantastic idea Poolside

Here's another option that I just came up with to pinch the beads together.
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Poolmans approach would be of great help away from home, when the tools aren't available. And practice before hand is way better (under 'controlled' conditions) since it can only help when you're stuck in the middle of who knows where so the process won't be 'all new'.

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I have tire tools with me when riding as part of my regular kit.

Like I said, I appreciate the ingenuity and "thinking outside the box", but it's a little time consuming. I can change a tube in about 20 minutes on the trail side. Not ISDE fast, but fast enough.
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Old 03-10-2009, 08:13 PM   #73
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I can mount some tires with no tools at all so I question the feasability of this on the tight tire/rim combos. There are some tires that just fit tight. If I remember right the Metzelers are usually the worst. My old Avon bias plies were easily put on by hand no straps no levers just my two hands.
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Old 03-11-2009, 05:45 PM   #74
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You'll have to experiment and let us know. I mean, if the straps aren't necessary then sure, don't use them. I just recently used them for a 100/90-19 tire on an old Yamaha.


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Old 03-21-2009, 03:13 AM   #75
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You'll have to experiment and let us know. I mean, if the straps aren't necessary then sure, don't use them. I just recently used them for a 100/90-19 tire on an old Yamaha.

Poolside et al, Hi!

Lots of great ideas here. When I was a teenager I worked in a marina on the gas dock. We used to use a Strap Wrench for getting the difficult bilge caps off to pump out. Do you think something like this would help in the compressing of the tire when putting the straps on or is it not necessary?

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