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Old 02-11-2008, 10:20 PM   #61
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Just got my XL 44" Synergy jacket liner. Hooked it up and wow, what nice even heat! This will replace the existing liner I have in my Tourmaster Transition jacket. Nice quality and fits well. I was going the vest route and figured why not get rid of the stock liner/vest combo by getting the full jacket liner instead. Less stuff to pack and carry.
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Old 02-12-2008, 05:04 AM   #62
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I just thought I would say that after several weeks of daily use, it has been working very well. No problems and very comfortable.

Only one problem . . . .not much of a problem, but just kind of amusing. As I take the left sleeve off (first), I get a series of static shocks in my right arm! Anybody else get this?
I just got mine hooked up last night and did a quick check to make sure that it was functional...and noticed the static shocks. Doesn't bother me though. I was planning to try it out after work today, but it's looking like rain at the moment.

BTW, 6'3" and ~250 pounds. I got the XL. It fits well and is a little loose, but not too loose. I was actually afraid that it would be too small.
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Old 02-14-2008, 02:34 PM   #63
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so can somebody stop riding a minute and tell me what the current draw is on the various settings?

and do the glove connectors' output vary with the controller or are they straight to the power connector?

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Old 02-14-2008, 02:55 PM   #64
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Just ordered a Medium from www.tonker.com final price with discount code "bab" and free shipping was $153.89.

Medium was confirmed the live person there.
(5-10, 180lbs, large t-shirt, 42 jacket/filight suit, medium "polo" shirt)
Did they give you both discount code and free shipping? Just wondering as their site says "If a coupon is used you do not qualify for free shipping. Adjustments will be made accordingly"
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Old 02-14-2008, 03:53 PM   #65
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Did they give you both discount code and free shipping? Just wondering as their site says "If a coupon is used you do not qualify for free shipping. Adjustments will be made accordingly"
I noticed that note too, but I still got free shipping with the discount code.
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Old 02-14-2008, 03:59 PM   #66
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Did they give you both discount code and free shipping? Just wondering as their site says "If a coupon is used you do not qualify for free shipping. Adjustments will be made accordingly"
yes I got both. did not notice that one the site.
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Old 02-15-2008, 04:02 AM   #67
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I just tried on an XL and it was a little to binding. They did not have the XXl. It was $180, which I thought was high from all the prices I have heard here. I am going to pick one up in the next month or two, we have to much snow and ice on the hil to even think about tryingto get the bike our.
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Old 02-15-2008, 04:15 AM   #68
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These Liners sound good and should be great. Should work good with the controller I use with my old liner now. BUT! Like xtphreak is asking, Does anyone know the maximum wattage these liners can produce. Ive read all the reviews and comments but have not seen it advertised or talked about anywhere.
(xtphreak, hope you are over the "meat" and greet). You would not remember me but we talked up on the BRP one day. I think near Mitchell. You came from the closed tunnel direction ?
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Old 02-15-2008, 05:19 AM   #69
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These Liners sound good and should be great. Should work good with the controller I use with my old liner now. BUT! Like xtphreak is asking, Does anyone know the maximum wattage these liners can produce. Ive read all the reviews and comments but have not seen it advertised or talked about anywhere.
According to this thread:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=267012

"76 watts, 6.7 amp for the jacket liner and 24 watts, 2.1 amp for the gloves"
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Old 02-15-2008, 07:05 AM   #70
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These Liners sound good and should be great. Should work good with the controller I use with my old liner now. BUT! Like xtphreak is asking, Does anyone know the maximum wattage these liners can produce. Ive read all the reviews and comments but have not seen it advertised or talked about anywhere.
(xtphreak, hope you are over the "meat" and greet). You would not remember me but we talked up on the BRP one day. I think near Mitchell. You came from the closed tunnel direction ?
yer right, I don't really remember you, I do remember (kinda) talking to someone up there

sorry, my memory is pornographic ...


all f*(ked up.



yes I'm all over the Bambi ambush AND the appendicitis ... last 6 months were tuff on the old bod


actually what I'm curious about is what the draw is at the lower two settings ... med & low assuming that Hi is full duty cycle.

you see the GPz is pretty load limited, my 24 watt vest and 15 watt glove liners pretty well max it out , so I was curious how much I can use this liner on that bike.

I think the XT600E and the TDM850 will be fine, just curious ... no sense in buying more wattage than I can reasonably utilize ... my home made vest worked this AM at 24 deg F.
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Old 02-15-2008, 09:13 AM   #71
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well I guess I pull the trigger anyway today, the local shop says $151 + tacks (guess he's skeered it'll fall off??? sounds uncomfortable, y'all get tacks with yers???WTF??Why not velcro???)

so anyway, his "tech rep" says the gloves are controlled WITH the jacket, makes no sense as they show the gloves having their own controller. So, not doubting a "tech rep" , I'll check myself when I get home to the Fluke (frequency).

if so, they'll be re-wired soon , I needs my 15 watt liners ON, WFO (for all y'all yung pups that's a Super Hunky akry-nime for Wide F___ing Open) when I need 'em.

still $151 is better'n internet pricing, and INSTANT GRATIFICATION RULEZ!!!!

I'll go pick it up after lunch (FRIDAY IS HALF DAY DAY, WOOTT!!!)



so I'll post up the amperages I asked for sometime over the weekend.

thanks anyway y'all ... now back to yer regularly scheduled riding/reading/sleeping/working/fornicating/whatever.
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Old 02-19-2008, 01:33 PM   #72
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To answer my own question, the Synergy jacket liner current draw is approximately 6.0 A high, 5.0A med, 4.0 A Low.

That was recorded powered by a 5.5.A/Hr battery on the bench, so that’s at approx 12.5 vdc.

I also wore it in this morning, 32 deg F, long t-shirt under Synergy, under Gen 1 Kilimanjaro (circa 1999).

The TDM850 has limited wind protection, but I soon had it down to Med, then when I dropped out of the mountains, I was alternating Med to Low on I-26 (80 mph).

Warm arms sure are nice.

Lacking a voltmeter on this bike, I made an SAE-to-pin cable and plugged in a DMM (in the tankbag map pocket), so I could monitor voltage at various conditions.

The TDM will maintain 13.2 vdc with the liner on Hi and the 15 watt glove liners (separate circuit) from 3K rpm up.

The glove circuits are useless to me (as much as I’d like to use them) because my glove liners need to be on 100% duty cycle (no controller limiting them).

I opted to wire my Kilimanjaro for the glove liners, vs. trying to open the Synergy liner and wire the glove plugs for straight 12 vdc. Feeling the wires thru the insulation, it appears that there aren’t dedicated wires for the glove plugs, they appear to be wired into the heating element network. Also I’d have to obtain the coax plugs and make adapters to the Molex connectors on the liners.

That’s one reason I thought about the First Gear/Warm-N-Safe liner.

Still workable though.

Basically, my overall impression is that for cold weather this thing rawks!!!

Better insulation unplugged than the Kili fleece liner.
Easier to put on under Kili.
Very very warm.
Light weight.
Good build quality.
Comfortable.
Controller included.
Wiring harness included.
Best price.
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Old 02-19-2008, 04:39 PM   #73
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I just tried on an XL and it was a little to binding. They did not have the XXl. It was $180, which I thought was high from all the prices I have heard here. I am going to pick one up in the next month or two, we have to much snow and ice on the hil to even think about tryingto get the bike our.
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Can you give YOUR dimensions, so we can compare?

I'm 6'2", 280 lbs, wide shoulders and chest, large belly. Sounds like I'd need an XXL, so I'm interested in your info.

Thanks!
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Old 02-20-2008, 08:04 AM   #74
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Can you give YOUR dimensions, so we can compare?

I'm 6'2", 280 lbs, wide shoulders and chest, large belly. Sounds like I'd need an XXL, so I'm interested in your info.

Thanks!
I went with an XL and may try a L if I can get them to get one in.

6' - 200#
34" waist
44" chest
I got the XL because of my monkey arms

good thing is it compresses under the Kili so the places it's loose are still against me bod
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Old 02-20-2008, 10:09 AM   #75
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Synergy Pant liner and controller issue

Sorry to be slow in following up.

I did get good support from Tonker.com and Helmethouse. They sent a new controller within a week. Unfortunately I have not been able to get back on the bike since I got the replacement.

But the pant liner worked great when it was working on the first outing. I only wished for a low-low setting since they got too warm at 40degf.

FirstGear HT overpants over and blue jeans under. The chaps style works ok ( I thought they were full pants). They don't bind up behind the knee.

I also wish the cable from the pant was 6" longer.

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