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Old 03-03-2015, 07:41 AM   #1
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The Chinese are coming

Here's the announcement from the California Scooter Company.

http://californiascooterco.com/csc_cyclone_rx-3.htm

Has anyone given one a try? I did a search, and got no results, so I started it here.

Anyone?
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Old 03-03-2015, 07:47 AM   #2
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There's a pretty sizable thread on it here:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...hlight=cyclone
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Old 03-03-2015, 07:50 AM   #3
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Oh boy, more poorly made crap from China!
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Old 03-03-2015, 08:01 AM   #4
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A couple of good places to start are here:

www.CSCMotorcycles.com

www.CaliforniaScooterCo.com/blog

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Old 03-03-2015, 08:17 AM   #5
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The cool thing is they offer them in Yamaha (blue), Honda (red), KTM (orange), and Yamaha (white).

The bad thing is almst 400 lbs and 24 HP.

I wonder how quickly I could break one?
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Old 03-03-2015, 08:20 AM   #6
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The Chinese have been coming for a long time. If they ever follow up the initial invasion with a dealer network featuring things like spare parts and warranty service they might actually establish a beachhead.

And, given that the Japanese have pretty much abandoned the small dual sport market, I would love to see AJP and CSC make a go of it. Let KTM squeeze from the top and some of these guys squeeze from the bottom.

Then maybe some new or updated Japanese bikes might appear.
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Old 03-03-2015, 10:06 AM   #7
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And when they do, it's a fairly safe bet they'll be made in China. I was amazed at how much the Chinese motorcycle manufacturers make for other motorcycle companies, including one from Milwaukee. It's pretty funny reading comments from folks critical of the Chinese who don't know their bikes are made in the same factory as ours.
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Old 03-03-2015, 10:51 AM   #8
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And when they do, it's a fairly safe bet they'll be made in China. I was amazed at how much the Chinese motorcycle manufacturers make for other motorcycle companies, including one from Milwaukee. It's pretty funny reading comments from folks critical of the Chinese who don't know their bikes are made in the same factory as ours.
I'm well aware of how much other companies all over the globe outsource their parts and manufacturing to China and India. Everyday in my business and hobbies I am forced to have to use their inferior products. Out of round bearings, weak steel, you name it and in many cases no quality made alternative product from anywhere else to be had.

Very little of if anything of the motorcycles I ride are made in China but then again none of them are new.
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Old 03-03-2015, 11:20 AM   #9
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Its funny how different countries have different views on where stuff is made. In Australia Chrysler Jeeps have the reputation for the most poorly built unreliable car available and due to this reputation even people that have a good run out of one find they have to practically give them away when they go to sell them due to them having almost no resale value. To try and counteract this Jeep have spent millions of dollars over here in the last 12 months or so with a massive advertisement campaign and very low prices to try and get them out.
I guess with these things its a matter of perception and sometimes advertising can change that.
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Old 03-03-2015, 11:32 AM   #10
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Its funny how different countries have different views on where stuff is made. In Australia Chrysler Jeeps have the reputation for the most poorly built unreliable car available and due to this reputation even people that have a good run out of one find they have to practically give them away when they go to sell them due to them having almost no resale value. To try and counteract this Jeep have spent millions of dollars over here in the last 12 months or so with a massive advertisement campaign and very low prices to try and get them out.
I guess with these things its a matter of perception and sometimes advertising can change that.
in the USA it is the same: Just Empty Each Pocket...
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Old 03-03-2015, 11:45 AM   #11
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The main problem is going to be lack of a dealer network but I expect the bike will be reliable and long lasting. Those who take their bike to a mechanic for oil changes, chain adjustments, burned out light bulbs, and other simple things may well be disappointed. Those who do their own maintenance will be getting a great deal.
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Old 03-03-2015, 11:52 AM   #12
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The main problem is going to be lack of a dealer network but I expect the bike will be reliable and long lasting. Those who take their bike to a mechanic for oil changes, chain adjustments, burned out light bulbs, and other simple things may well be disappointed. Those who do their own maintenance will be getting a great deal.

A great deal on a cheap mechanic?

Used euro/jap bikes still look like a better deal to me.
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Old 03-03-2015, 12:13 PM   #13
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Me, too. But for how long? Honda 125's are now made in China as are some BMW motors. I don't see anybody bitching about Honda reliability. Now BMW........

I might have a go at a reasonably priced 450 dual sport as long as the quality was also reasonable IF there were a reliable and stable parts supply to back it up. But I have been learning how crazy it is sourcing parts for Chinese motors when I started exploring a Zongshen Yamaha clone to replace my XT200 motor. Just trying to figure out what you have isn't going to be fun if you buy a bike out of a CONEX box in dirt lot somewhere.

Enter some companies like CSC and AJP and maybe things start to get interesting if they can make the parts supply stable and reliable.
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Old 03-03-2015, 12:28 PM   #14
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Looks like more terrible alloys, terrible rubbers, terrible paints, and terrible machining.... built to work (just barely) for (just a little while) for (just a few dollars). Great for things like trash cans and floor mats..but Motorcycles and hardwood flooring? Nah...not for me. Both can kill you if made in china.
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Old 03-03-2015, 01:06 PM   #15
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Ah, more metallurgical and materials engineers weighing in on how this motorcycle won't last. Most entertaining.

The CSC RX3 includes a 2-year unlimited mileage warranty.

Can you imagine the engineering we had to put into this motorcycle to make it last that long, independent of mileage, and then fall apart?
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