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Old 09-17-2010, 12:11 AM   #16816
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first thing you do is..... find the internet and open up an account on eBay.

second.... sell your bike.
It's a great bike. Maybe the only one that would withstand the abuse i give it. But it's in such bad shape cosmetically, I'd be lucky to be able to sell it for scrap.
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Old 09-17-2010, 12:12 AM   #16817
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Those intermittent shorts are a PITA.

I'd start with the battery (20) and make sure the lead from the + to the starter relay (21) and then from the relay to the starter is still fully insulated.

I'm not sure how the Husky is but there will come a time when I'll have to replace the KLR's + lead.
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Old 09-17-2010, 12:13 AM   #16818
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It's a great bike. Maybe the only one that would withstand the abuse i give it. But it's in such bad shape cosmetically, I'd be lucky to be able to sell it for scrap.
Trade you a KLR705
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Old 09-17-2010, 12:14 AM   #16819
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Here's a schematic. Do I have to go wire by wire and trace it all the way?
Diagnostics 101:

Look over all connections and the entire wiring harness. Pay attention to where the harness is close to anything else. Look for discoloration, or frayed wires. If you can't find it this way, next is the hard way. Except for the main fuse, remove 1/2 of the fuses on the bike. Take it for a run. If you don't blow a fuse the problem is somewhere in that part of the loom. If you do blow a fuse then the problem is in the other half. Keep doing this split until you are down to the exact are that blows the fuse. Once you know that then you can work that wire in detail.
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Old 09-17-2010, 12:14 AM   #16820
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get yourself a continuity tester/volt meter. connect 1 terminal to the frame, and start probing the wires with the battery disconnected.

disconnect all connectors, clean the contacts and look for frayed wires.

inspect 1 wire at a time. shake each wire and look for a spark...kabooom.
I have a good Fluke Multimeter but only know how to use the volt meter part. Why do you do it with the battery disconnected? Where will the voltage come from?
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Old 09-17-2010, 12:15 AM   #16821
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It's a great bike. Maybe the only one that would withstand the abuse i give it. But it's in such bad shape cosmetically, I'd be lucky to be able to sell it for scrap.
hahahaha


my KLR (RIP) had a short and was a PITA.

it was a wire under the seat that if the seat touched it, which would make it touch the frame, it would short.

not a fun job. i hate electrical issues.



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Old 09-17-2010, 12:17 AM   #16822
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Trade you a KLR705
It's tempting. I've been looking for something in that color range.
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Old 09-17-2010, 12:18 AM   #16823
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get yourself a continuity tester/volt meter. connect 1 terminal to the frame, and start probing the wires with the battery disconnected.

disconnect all connectors, clean the contacts and look for frayed wires.

inspect 1 wire at a time. shake each wire and look for a spark...kabooom.
It is tough to find an intermittant problem this way.
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Old 09-17-2010, 12:18 AM   #16824
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it was a wire under the seat that if the seat touched it, which would make it touch the frame, it would short.
It maybe the same wire I'm worried about. I did some re-routing and wrapped a couple of wires with harness tape when I did the 705 a few weeks ago. If she quits on me, that's the first place I'm looking.
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Old 09-17-2010, 12:21 AM   #16825
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Eric, I'd start with the fuse and work back from there.

What does that fuse power?

Check each of those wire groups.
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Old 09-17-2010, 12:26 AM   #16826
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yup...it could be that simple or even a thermal switch short for the fan...ive seen it.you have to approach it systematically.it will drive you nuts.my sons 400 had a short in the head light circuit that took me years to find.it was a frayed wire that i luckely found at nite in the garage when i saw it spark and blow the fuse that wire is hanging in my garage to this day,bike long gone
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Old 09-17-2010, 12:27 AM   #16827
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I have a good Fluke Multimeter but only know how to use the volt meter part. Why do you do it with the battery disconnected? Where will the voltage come from?
You don't measure voltage, you're checking continuity. There should be a setting that looks like a speaker with sound pulses coming from it. (Look here)

http://www.ladyada.net/learn/multimeter/continuity.html

When you set it to this and connect the leads, the meter beeps, meaning you have a complete circuit. No beep, no circuit.

So connecting one lead to the frame (after removing the battery) and poking each wire and listening for a beep from the meter will allow you to find which wire is shorting to the frame. Then follow that wire around until you find the offending short.
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Old 09-17-2010, 12:36 AM   #16828
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You don't measure voltage, you're checking continuity. There should be a setting that looks like a speaker with sound pulses coming from it. (Look here)

http://www.ladyada.net/learn/multimeter/continuity.html

When you set it to this and connect the leads, the meter beeps, meaning you have a complete circuit. No beep, no circuit.

So connecting one lead to the frame (after removing the battery) and poking each wire and listening for a beep from the meter will allow you to find which wire is shorting to the frame. Then follow that wire around until you find the offending short.
thats true but Ringing through lamps will give you a false ground read as if you have a ground,resistance grounds ring as a ground.voltage reads a drop
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Old 09-17-2010, 12:36 AM   #16829
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Eric, I'd start with the fuse and work back from there.

What does that fuse power?

Check each of those wire groups.
It's the main 15a fuse under the left side panel. It powers everything. It's the first thing in line. There is only a six inch wire between it and the positive battery terminal. I will inspect it and everything else better in the morning. I saw your frayed wire to the e-start. I'm pretty sure i don't have that.

Thanks for the suggestions guys. I will take a better look at it when I'm fresh in the morning.

The good news: I finally rode my my bike today.
The bad news: If I can't fix it tomorrow, I will miss Big Bear again.
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Old 09-17-2010, 12:40 AM   #16830
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It's the main 15a fuse under the left side panel. It powers everything. It's the first thing in line. There is only a six inch wire between it and the positive battery terminal. I will inspect it and everything else better in the morning. I saw your frayed wire to the e-start. I'm pretty sure i don't have that.

Thanks for the suggestions guys. I will take a better look at it when I'm fresh in the morning.

The good news: I finally rode my my bike today.
The bad news: If I can't fix it tomorrow, I will miss Big Bear again.
you wont miss nothing ,i missed four months and when i rode again i realized i missed nothing...
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