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Old 02-23-2009, 04:17 PM   #5326
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Law of

Applying the basic laws of motorcycle physics:

A ride should decrease both in length and difficulty in proportion to the size of the group growing in mass.
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Old 02-23-2009, 04:40 PM   #5327
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It's not whether you can successfully be sued, it's the money that would be spent defending yourself. Being an insurance broker gives me a very clear insight as to how slimey attorneys can be and what they'd be willing to take as a claim . This fits within their realm, without a doubt.
Let's say Rider XYZ sues you because he got hurt on your ride. What would be the basis of his claim? That you were negligent in warning him that motorcycling is inherently dangerous? And how much $$ would the lawyer stand to make out of the lawsuite against an individual dualsport rider in the unlikely event that it was successful?

I can see this happening to McDonalds, since they have deep pockets. But does anyone know of a similar case against the organizer of social rides on motorbikes-- either on dirt or street?

Also, given that such a lawsuite is unlikely to be successful, how much incentive is the lawyer going to have to work on such a case?
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Old 02-23-2009, 04:53 PM   #5328
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can i still ride with you guys?
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Old 02-23-2009, 04:59 PM   #5329
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ben and ccer pm sent good luck Dr M Hollander 818-986 8822 good guy and excellent surgeon
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Old 02-23-2009, 05:21 PM   #5330
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When I ride I know what could happen. On Saturday it was just my turn. When I sat back and thought about the crash I was not even going that fast. I was in 2nd maybe 20/25 mph. I slowed down b4 the woop section. I just didnt make the right choices while in the air. I had enoughf time to decide if I wanted to extend my arms or tuck them in. Well I picked to tuck them in to save my wrist. Somehow my shoulder rolled under me. It seems to me that I just had a accident. I choose to ride with you guys/adv because at the end off the day ill get home. That was proven to me this past weekend. If I had any doubt i would ride with other people. Ride with in your comfort zone and be safe. See you guys on the trail as soon as I can. Ben
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Old 02-23-2009, 05:29 PM   #5331
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can i still ride with you guys?
only until you fullfill your end of feb baja commitment.....


next ride.....nOObs march full moon dv redux on the 13th to 15th of next month! see you there if you want.
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Old 02-23-2009, 05:29 PM   #5332
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Ama

the AMA has release of liability form which we can get and have every rider sign it before going on a ride....
how much liability ADVrider.com has????

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Old 02-23-2009, 05:43 PM   #5333
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Let's say Rider XYZ sues you because he got hurt on your ride. What would be the basis of his claim? That you were negligent in warning him that motorcycling is inherently dangerous? And how much $$ would the lawyer stand to make out of the lawsuite against an individual dualsport rider in the unlikely event that it was successful?

I can see this happening to McDonalds, since they have deep pockets. But does anyone know of a similar case against the organizer of social rides on motorbikes-- either on dirt or street?

Also, given that such a lawsuite is unlikely to be successful, how much incentive is the lawyer going to have to work on such a case?
When I owned my snowboard company one of my teamriders was leading a group of riders down some double black diamonds at Mt Baker in Washington. One of the riders hit an ice patch and went over a cliff breaking his back. Mt Baker, my teamrider who was 19 years old, myself personally, my company, and the maker of the bindings all were named as defendants ina $10mm lawsuit.

The basis of the claim was that my team rider failed to exercise caution as the most experienced rider in leading a group of riders to an area known for ice and landslides. I'm in no way claiming to be the most experienced rider.

My self, my company and the binding company were ultimately dismissed from the case. I spent $12k on attorney's fees. The mountain was successfully sued for $990k, and the kid was fined punitive and exemplary damages for failure to exercise caution in the amount of $50K (I think that was the final amount). It's not what you have now that matters. Lawfirms have depts that do nothing but chase money for clients. They can follow you, for I believe 10 years and garnish bank accounts, and attach wages. They ruined this teamrider's life.

Also realize that sometimes a small case such as something like this, is only a test case to set or reset a precedent , so that the outcome can be used as a precedence in a following case to support a reason for a judgment. Things are not always what they appear on their face. Attorneys take cases like this for the notoriety. Why, because they are a bunch of self serving fucks anyways.
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Old 02-23-2009, 05:55 PM   #5334
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now that i think about it, i was injured on your ride.... i cant ride, work or have sex since that accident i also have drug dependency problems because of that
i'll take $1,000,000 and we can save the attorney fee


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When I owned my snowboard company one of my teamriders was leading a group of riders down some double black diamonds at Mt Baker in Washington. One of the riders hit an ice patch and went over a cliff breaking his back. Mt Baker, my teamrider who was 19 years old, myself personally, my company, and the maker of the bindings all were named as defendants ina $10mm lawsuit.

The basis of the claim was that my team rider failed to exercise caution as the most experienced rider in leading a group of riders to an area known for ice and landslides.

My self, my company and the binding company were ultimately dismissed from the case. I spent $12k on attorney's fees. The mountain was successfully sued for $990k, and the kid was fined punitive and exemplary damages for failure to exercise caution in the amount of $50K (I think that was the final amount). It's not what you have now that matters. Lawfirms have depts that do nothing but chase money for clients. They can follow you, for I believe 10 years and garnish bank accounts, and attach wages. They ruined this teamrider's life.

Also realize that sometimes a small case such as something like this, is only a test case to set or reset a precedent , so that the outcome can be used as a precedence in a following case to support a reason for a judgment. Things are not always what they appear on their face. Attorneys take cases like this for the notoriety. Why, because they are a bunch of self serving fucks anyways.
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Old 02-23-2009, 06:48 PM   #5335
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So you guys need a waiver o liability if want to ride with me in USA, i don't care in mexico because coyotes with eath you went left behind with no water ,food o complete bike
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Old 02-23-2009, 06:50 PM   #5336
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Old 02-23-2009, 06:54 PM   #5337
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Old 02-23-2009, 08:45 PM   #5338
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rotting tires

there are still 3 people who need to pick up their tires.

please let me know so i can move them.

2 tires are already set in a secret hiding place...just come and get them. i will not be responsible if someone get there before you did...
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Old 02-23-2009, 09:48 PM   #5339
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now that i think about it, i was injured on your ride.... i cant ride, work or have sex since that accident i also have drug dependency problems because of that
i'll take $1,000,000 and we can save the attorney fee
You know what? Now that I think about it, every time I've been injured I've been on one of my rides also . Who do I get to complain to?
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Old 02-23-2009, 09:51 PM   #5340
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So you guys need a waiver o liability if want to ride with me in USA, i don't care in mexico because coyotes with eath you went left behind with no water ,food o complete bike
Javier, don't worry about me. If I get injured I'll eat myself to stay alive, and when the end comes, I'll bury myself as well.
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