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Old 02-07-2013, 05:13 PM   #22816
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I'm actually around this weekend and am in for Sunday! Blackwater sounds good!! And if the ghost formerly known as Moab is coming out, then I'm def in! How about that other guy that used to ride with us.....Phil..................

You guys suck! I have two day class (Sat-Sun 8-5) teaching those stupid zapping thingies to other crazy peeps like me! Might make it out Sat night for few beers at the camper but no riding damnit! Next weekend is all mine!
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Old 02-07-2013, 05:17 PM   #22817
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I'm actually around this weekend and am in for Sunday! Blackwater sounds good!! And if the ghost formerly known as Moab is coming out, then I'm def in! How about that other guy that used to ride with us.....Phil..................
I"m planning on it. Hope there aren't many hinter or I may be ghost.
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Old 02-08-2013, 02:14 PM   #22818
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Guys,
I am new to the forum and this thing you call dual sport riding.
I would like to join the ride this weekend.
When and where do you meet/start?
I'll be riding a '08 CRF230L Honda.
Tom
Tom,

Check you private messages (upper right hand corner) will say "Unread 1" I sent you a PM about this weekend.
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Old 02-08-2013, 02:53 PM   #22819
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I've tried some specific forums, but I keep gettin generic advice... thought maybe some locals might could shed some light...

Some of you 2t old timers, could you lend a young ignorant mind a figurative hand? I am wondering if this thing needs a rebuild:



it idles ok, runs at wfo ok, rough midrange, smokes all the time. ran it hard an fast for about 10 minutes and the pipe was smokin for minutes afterwards... new packing? strange midrange issue?

I ran 44:1 per previous owner, then tried 50:1 with no difference. tried cheap oil, then went and spent $ on oil. no difference. already pulled carb numerous times, checking float bowl clearance, cleaned all jets and passages with carb cleaner, tiny wire brushes, more carb cleaner, compressed air. When bought, the bike ran like glass. then I started effin with it with the mindset of preventative maintenance, and ended up killin it.
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:20 PM   #22820
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Jerry, could it be burning transmission oil because of a gasket/seal issue?

Happened to me one time on a two stroke when I lost a crankcase oil seal on the clutch side.

Spark plug will get dirty pretty quick.

Pull the muffler and fire it up to see if the smoking stops. If it does, the packing has been saturated with 2t oil and repack will fix that.
Good luck!
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:47 PM   #22821
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I had a 300. Does the 200 have a power valve? If it does, then take it apart & clean it. If your not fouling the plug, then it probably needs new rings. If the 200 only has one piston ring, then it's only about $40. My 300 had 2 rings & it was only a bit more $$$ to just buy a piston kit.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:47 PM   #22822
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My guess from the way it sounds is that the mid range is a little rich...which is controlled by the needle in the carb. To lean out the mid range you want to lower the needle a notch. I'd check the manufacturers recomendation on oil/gas ratio and stick with it. Too little oil and you can trash the engine in a hurry. The problem is too much oil/gas total in the mid range, not too much oil. What have you changed since it ran like glass? Smoking after shutting it down is no big deal...the exhaust may have a llittle residual oil but that will clean out when you get the jetting corrected. On the good side if it idles and runs good with the throttle wide open, you have minor tuning issues to worry about and nothing major. Hope this helps.
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Old 02-08-2013, 05:40 PM   #22823
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thanks guys!

yes Rob, it has the adjustable PV. haven't pulled it yet.

SR- the ktm owners handbook suggests 40-60:1 so.... yea

madhouse, I am worried about just that - I found a good suggestion on ktmtalk - I filled the tranny with exactly .7L of oil, so if I drain it, I should get back about .7L... if not...
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Old 02-08-2013, 05:59 PM   #22824
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Jerry,
Shot in the dark.
Check you coolant level.
Maybe tiny head gasket leak?
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:58 PM   #22825
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Smokin two smoke

All the advise is good and spot on...

IMHO or even IMEO - start with fresh compression. Ring (in the case of the 200) or piston and ring with new fresh bore and THEN start to refine carb exhaust etc. The KTM 200 will run with almost no compression...

If you know the compression is OK (can you push it through with your HAND? if so it aint shit) then I would look at gummed up exhaust First before other remedies. BTW I have repack kit that has never been opened.

The more I listen to the vid the more I think you are clogged up in the muffler...
who knows....

Ask Gimmie why a bad battery on a 2012 5 Hunny acts like a clogged filter!!!!

Good luck.
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:49 PM   #22826
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I've tried some specific forums, but I keep gettin generic advice... thought maybe some locals might could shed some light...

Some of you 2t old timers, could you lend a young ignorant mind a figurative hand? I am wondering if this thing needs a rebuild:



it idles ok, runs at wfo ok, rough midrange, smokes all the time. ran it hard an fast for about 10 minutes and the pipe was smokin for minutes afterwards... new packing? strange midrange issue?

I ran 44:1 per previous owner, then tried 50:1 with no difference. tried cheap oil, then went and spent $ on oil. no difference. already pulled carb numerous times, checking float bowl clearance, cleaned all jets and passages with carb cleaner, tiny wire brushes, more carb cleaner, compressed air. When bought, the bike ran like glass. then I started effin with it with the mindset of preventative maintenance, and ended up killin it.
My 300 ran on 60:1 flawlessly for years. I ran BelRay H1R in it. Didn't smoke, piston and rings wonderful shape after two seasons of racing (including 24 hour race at Perry Mountain) .

I never would have mixed it so lean if the KTM owners manual didn't call for it.

Also I second Mr Robert Dirt's prognosis of power valve cleaning time has arrived.
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Old 02-09-2013, 06:46 AM   #22827
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[QUOTE=power valve cleaning time has arrived.[/QUOTE]



No need for wire brush, contact cleaner, & elbow grease. Bring me your power valve parts & I will bead blast them at work for free. You will think they are brand new from the nearest dealer This applies to any ADV member.....bead blasting, welding, etc. I can help, ask Skidmark
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Old 02-09-2013, 06:52 AM   #22828
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[QUOTE-start with fresh compression.[/QUOTE]


So true! With no valve train to breathe through, ring seal is EVERYTHING to a 2stroke. If you pull the jug off, put the ring in it and measure end gap. .003 per inch of bore is a good rule of thumb, I bet yours is fat.....
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Old 02-09-2013, 07:27 AM   #22829
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No need for wire brush, contact cleaner, & elbow grease. Bring me your power valve parts & I will bead blast them at work for free. You will think they are brand new from the nearest dealer This applies to any ADV member.....bead blasting, welding, etc. I can help, ask Skidmark
Can you brazen small holes on something like a dampner rod? I want to fix the front end on my XR but can't do a whole lot till I make that fix first.
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Old 02-09-2013, 07:45 AM   #22830
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Gonna head out to Karick Lake and meet up with the Bama boys....

See you all tomorrow...
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