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Old 04-01-2008, 05:13 PM   #61
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This thread should have started with. Enjoying my FJR. and then left it with that.
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Old 04-01-2008, 05:16 PM   #62
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Old 04-01-2008, 05:17 PM   #63
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The Fjr is a great bike no doubt about it. What are it's downsides?
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Old 04-01-2008, 06:18 PM   #64
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I've heard of sporadic problems on the 1150 and 1100 boxer lineup, but your problems seem to be uncharacteristicly high. Were they all serviced at the same dealer?
No, and in fact most of the work was done at Holt BMW. It's a small place with a decent reputation. Surely they aren't perfect and I have a story or two to demonstrate that fact, but the issues I had with these bikes were not their fault.

Incidentally, I completely forgot about the fact that my '04 GS also ate a fuel pump at less than a year old. So you can add that to the list.
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Old 04-01-2008, 06:24 PM   #65
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The Fjr is a great bike no doubt about it. What are it's downsides?
A little less roomy than the KGT, perhaps a little bit more buzz. A little more forward lean on the wrists, which is bad or good depending on the rider's build. Probably bad in my case, but it's nothing a set of bar-backs won't fix. Not as plush and feature-laden as the KGT either. I suppose the buzz complaint depends on the rider and each individual bike. I've seen some people complain about buzz at highway speed and my bike has a little bit of it, but I wouldn't consider it to be intrusive or annoying. It's just there.

I am really happy with the bike so far. The worst issue was the steering wobble, and now that I've eliminated that I just don't have anything bad to say about the bike. For me that's a significant statement since I've owned 50 bikes and worked in the motorcycle biz for several years now.
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Old 04-01-2008, 06:44 PM   #66
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BMW vs FJ

I hve a BMW GS and a FJ. Both have about 70K plus miles. The FJ has performed great with low maintence. Seems like everytime I check the valves they are still within spec. The GS on the other hand has had three driveshaft failures, two transmission failures and two charging system failures. I spend more time working on the GS than my four Japanesse combined. I still really like the GS but really pay the price. Just my two cents. 2HE
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Old 04-01-2008, 07:45 PM   #67
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The Motor Co. is a fine outfit with an interesting product line, but the people it has to associate with to move its product are the lowest of the low. Whaleshit low.
Wow... that is pretty low.
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Old 04-01-2008, 09:19 PM   #68
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twin headlight,what year are youre BMWGS and FJ?
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Old 04-01-2008, 11:46 PM   #69
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...I completely forgot about the fact that my '04 GS also ate a fuel pump at less than a year old.
Sounds like you are cursed.......
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Old 04-01-2008, 11:58 PM   #70
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...I know that getting 11k out of a Harley is amazing .....
Pure BS there. I know of many 100K H-Ds out there.

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...Over on the ZX-10R board, we had a contest about the worst dealer experience we'd ever had no matter what brand or what bike. I won with one of my true dealer stories about a Harley dealer. Nobody could touch my story. ..
You must be a good story teller.

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...I'd clean the toilets in an Arab public convenience before I'd ever step into a Harley dealership again. It's not the product, but the people which make it so nasty.
Actually, you did slander the product. (First quote above)

OK so you dislike the product and the people. Maybe you had some bad experiences or maybe you are biased. I don't know. But your experiences aren't typical.

We have 3 H-D dealers in the KC metro area (in Missouri). One is great, one is good, and the third has done good work on my bike, but it isn't as personable.

I had right at 25000 miles in less than 2 years (no problems) but needed more protection and wanted better handing. That is the only reason I am not still riding it. I have friends with many more trouble-free miles on them.

The H-D brand is good at what it does, and I've found the dealerships to be good as well. And there seems to be one nearby no matter where you are. I wish BMW had as many dealerships in the US.
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Old 04-02-2008, 04:26 AM   #71
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Well, as a long term Harley rider with well over 100,000 miles on them and one who has owned more than one Jap bike and even a Beemer I could not stay on the sidelines any longer.

My opinion based upon my experiences is that Harleys are much, much better now than in decades past and do getter better with the newer models and newer features. In the past years and several (OK, more than several) new Harleys) I have never been stuck someplace with a break-down and have only had very miny little things that were fixed under warranty go bad. Overall they have been very reliable and trouble free.

The Jap bikes I have had, of late a 2006 Kawasaki Concours , runs great and requires little maintainance. The valve adjustment on the Concours is not shim and bucket but rather the time honored adjustable rocker tappet but WOW what a problem to get the valve cover off and on!!&^%(&^% 8,500 trouble free high performance miles. My Suzuki Bandit was also a trouble free exciting ride. Both were great bangs for the buck. I was turned off by the FJR marketing method, the price, and the heat but still think it is one great machine notwithstanding my pass on it. The Honda 1300ST would have been my choice over it had I not stumbled upon a smokin' deal on the left-over Connie.

The Beemer I had was an R100R which was finicky but I loved it, right up until the moment of impact with the station wagon that pulled out of a driveway without seeing me. Now, for reasons even I do not understand, I have a new R1200GS inbound to compliment the Electra Glide in the garage.

Dealers: OK, some will disagree but most H-D dealerships I have been to are decent. The service departments will just about always take a rider on a road trip first and get that rider ont he road again. Most people in Harley dealerships (not all) are passionate about riding and passionate about Harleys. When on the road I take comfort in having the map of Harley dealerships with me and knowing that i will be taken care of. Parts are almost always in stock and the network had decent coverage of the CONUS.

BMW dealerships OTOH seemed a bit snooty to me. Pull up to a Harley dealership on a BMW wearing First Gear mesh and you will be treated fine. Pull up to a BMW dealership on a Harley wearing black leather and you will be treated like a homeless person seeking to take a hot bath in their mens room; unless they see a Rolex, in which case you may be permitted to walk through the showroom - but only if under escort. Ask a question in a Harley dealership and you will get an answer, maybe even a correct one - ask a question in a BMW dealership and you'll get that look that says, "Oh my - you silly ignorant person you, have you no internet?"

Just my two cents - don't shoot the messenger.
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Old 04-02-2008, 05:11 AM   #72
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cmack,was that for an 08 K1200R.sounds like quite a deal.did you trade a bike in?
It's an '07 (no trade-in). BMW NA didn't move nearly as many as they imported, so they offered their top volume dealers special pricing to get them sold in volume. MAX BMW and BMW Daytona/Orlando were all selling them pretty much loaded with everything except ESA for the $10,995 price. I know BMW Daytona moved over 60 of them at that price between Nov. and Feb. You might want to check and see if they have any left.
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Old 04-04-2008, 07:52 PM   #73
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my jap bike is doing well while my buddy's bmw requires a month in the shop if it is ever in need (ECU replacement/issues)

12,000miles, bought new, didn't even break it in...just rode it like i intended to ride it...only oil changes and tires...fixin to do a chain/sprocket kit, brakes, coolant, clutch cable, and a valve adjustment by the mid/end of this year (15,000miles)

she mostly stays in the 8,000-14,000rpm range in normal riding...that's a lot of piston passes.

shell rotella T syn "dump truck oil" as my buddies call it...

i'll never understand why folks put up with the ridiculous service requirements of harleys/bmws. can't people just concede that the japanese have the technology down pat? it won't be until sales suffer that manufacturers get their act together.

i bought japanese because i wanted a motorcycle i could ride...not one that would make me a favorite customer at the dealer/service shop. the only thing is that i now have to learn how to do a valve adjustment because i haven't got any mechanic friends.

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Old 04-04-2008, 08:27 PM   #74
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ducati multistrada=overpriced visceral experience
Fix't. And what's the maintenance interval there?

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Old 04-04-2008, 08:37 PM   #75
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Bueller- don't discount the complexity of the valve check. I think it's rated an 8-hour job in the dealer book; I know a lot of experienced mechanics that still pay someone else to spin the wrenches for that one.

Yeah, some of the Gen I bikes had the dread exhaust valve tick. Yamaha hasn't exactly admitted the problem, but they have fixed every one, for free, no questions asked. It sounds like the problem is the valve axis isn't perpindicular to the valve seat on the problem motors; the valves not closing square induces side load that causes the guides to oval out. The ones that go bad, most do by 8-9k miles.

My other high-mileage, low-maintenance bike is an Aprilia. Never mind what the book says, do the valve checks every ~20k miles, change the oil/filter/tires, and ride.

If I had to buy a new bike tomorrow, it'd probably be a bike that starts with B and ends with 1125R.

I appreciate BMW builds some nice machines, but there are too many other interesting bikes that I could buy two of for the price of a BMW.
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