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Old 04-04-2008, 08:05 PM   #1
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Pissed Beware of Shell Rotella Triple Protection oil

Three weeks ago I changed my oil in my Honda PC 800. I switched to Shell Rotella, 15/40 after reading all the superlatives about this product. The price was right, so now my clutch is slipping. It turns out the Rotella I purchased was the new TRIPLE PROTECTION. This has those darn additives. I put on
about a thousand kms and noticed it was down about half a liter. This bike doesn't burn or leak oil. I was quite surprised to find this. I topped of the bike and did another couple of hundred kms and now the clutch is slipping under load at the 4000 to 5000 RPM range.

I will change the oil again and try the Rotella synthetic. Should I change the filter (1200kms) or will that be sufficent to just change the oil?
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Old 04-04-2008, 08:11 PM   #2
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Chances are it ain't the oil. Lotsa folks with lotsa different bike been using this oil for years.
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Old 04-04-2008, 08:16 PM   #3
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The engine side and tranny side on my DS'd CRF450X are separated. I can run whatever in the engine side, including additives (MOLY), but not in the tranny side. It's a known fact that Moly will make your clutch slip. Other than that, run any kind of oil ya want.
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Old 04-04-2008, 08:39 PM   #4
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Not your regular T.

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Chances are it ain't the oil. Lotsa folks with lotsa different bike been using this oil for years.
I agree, but this is some new protection blend with additives. It is not the same formulation as the regular T.

As far as the clutch goes, it is not consistant, needs load. Had not even shuddered prior to the oil change.

Question is do I replace the filter or is it OK to leave it?
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Old 04-04-2008, 08:48 PM   #5
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I agree, but this is some new protection blend with additives. It is not the same formulation as the regular T.

As far as the clutch goes, it is not consistant, needs load. Had not even shuddered prior to the oil change.

Question is do I replace the filter or is it OK to leave it?
I would remove the filter, drain the oil and reinstall it so that you get the maximum of new oil w/o the additives. Dan
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Old 04-04-2008, 08:48 PM   #6
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If the filter has a bit of the moly oil in it, why not change it also and start afresh?

That half pint or so may not be enough to cause problems when everything mixes, but then, oil filters aren't so expensive...
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Old 04-04-2008, 09:09 PM   #7
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Screw that SHELL shit. Stop following the sheep.
Run a dedicated motorcycle specific oil.
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Old 04-04-2008, 09:15 PM   #8
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Screw that SHELL shit. Stop following the sheep.
Run a dedicated motorcycle specific oil.

Dedicated motorcycle specific oil? WTF... it's just oil in a high priced container for folks that think there's a difference. Both of our bikes call for any oil that falls into the specifications in the maintenance manual. I can buy Rotella for $10/gallon... that's about $40/gallon if you buy that jacked up "sheep" oil at the dealers.
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Old 04-04-2008, 09:26 PM   #9
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Dedicated motorcycle specific oil? WTF... it's just oil in a high priced container for folks that think there's a difference. Both of our bikes call for any oil that falls into the specifications in the maintenance manual. I can buy Rotella for $10/gallon... that's about $40/gallon if you buy that jacked up "sheep" oil at the dealers.
+1. Good oil, used it for years with no problems. Motorcycle oil is packaged sucker fluid in my book. I prefer to spend my money on good 2-stroke oil if I'm going to actually look for a viable benefit.

I had the same problem when Mobil 1 switched out their good old "red cap" formula for a new one with additives. Had to change the clutch on my KLR, but it was due anyway.

This should get fired to the basement shortly.
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Old 04-04-2008, 09:42 PM   #10
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Same concern with Rotella Synthetic

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so now my clutch is slipping. It turns out the Rotella I purchased was the new TRIPLE PROTECTION. This has those darn additives. I put on
clutch is slipping under load at the 4000 to 5000 RPM range.

I will change the oil again and try the Rotella synthetic. Should I change the filter (1200kms) or will that be sufficent to just change the oil?
I had the exact same problem on a CX500 Turbo clutch slipping at high rpm on boost changed back to Castrol problem solved............Rotella maybe OK for a diesel truck........slipping is more common than you think with the Rottella...............the only good point of the stuff it's cheap. Sure this will bring out the oil flamers
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Old 04-04-2008, 09:52 PM   #11
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Okay Flash.
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Old 04-05-2008, 05:11 AM   #12
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Okay Flash.
And tequila is just tequila...


Now you're just being foolish...
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Old 04-05-2008, 07:08 AM   #13
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I can buy regular Castrol motorcycle oil for $3.99 per liter here in Canada (Where we get hosed on everything we buy. I use Mobil 1 Synthetic motorcycle oil at $9.99/ltr . Mobil 1 synthetic car oil is $6.99.

That means that on an oil change for my V-Strom I would save $9.00 using the car oil. Why would you chance it for $9.00? Unless you change your oil every two weeks. It's beyond me why people will pay $3.50 for a coffee at Starbucks, and then use an oil not recomended by the manufacturer to save $9.00, regardless of weather or not there are any problems.
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Old 04-05-2008, 08:17 AM   #14
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I can buy regular Castrol motorcycle oil for $3.99 per liter here in Canada (Where we get hosed on everything we buy. I use Mobil 1 Synthetic motorcycle oil at $9.99/ltr . Mobil 1 synthetic car oil is $6.99.

That means that on an oil change for my V-Strom I would save $9.00 using the car oil. Why would you chance it for $9.00?
If you pick an oil that has the right ingredients and ratings you aren't chancing anything - you're just being a smart consumer. I can get a gallon (3.8 liters) of Rotella-T for $9.80. That's $2.36 a liter and I'm not taking any "chances" because it meets the same ratings and has them same lack of clutch slipping friction modifiers as the oil with "Motorcycle" on the label.

Now, I understand that a lot of folks don't want to take the time to research the topic and they're willing to pay more than double for the luxury of remaining uneducated. That's fine - we can't all be up to speed on every subject and I'm sure there are plenty of things I buy that I could get cheaper if I put some effort into informing myself. It just happens that I'm an engineer that spent some time working in the test facility of a company that makes lubricant and fuel additives so it wasn't a big leap for me to educate myself about what oil I need in my bikes, so the idea of buying an oil without the word "Motorcycle" on the label doesn't worry me.

I can't believe I'm dumb enough to participate in an oil thread...
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Old 04-05-2008, 08:23 AM   #15
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Laugh

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I can't believe I'm dumb enough to participate in an oil thread...
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