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Old 04-07-2008, 06:55 PM   #31
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This is a difficult decision now as I dont feel like plopping down 7,500 and have a bike that has back-tracked since last year. By the way, I am going to Wagner Motorsports in Worcester. Are you near by?

Wagner for me as well. I put down a deposit down for a 610 in the next batch to come in. That was before I heard about the fork thing, but I don't think I'd let it make or break my decision. I wanted to wait until the KTM 690E's showed up in May to make my decision anyway, and by then something should be sorted out. Either Husky will take care of it or we'll figure out how to add it. Someone here has already been researching and working on this.

You dealing with Mark? He's heard about this from me and another customer and was supposed to talk to corp and find out something. Give him an earful and maybe us potential buyers can hint around that the new KTM have compression adjusters.

Oh yeah, go to the Husky website and contact Cagiva USA and rant on it. I did. I got a quick response that they are raising the issue. The more they hear about it the better I suspect.
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Old 04-07-2008, 07:00 PM   #32
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BD, I corresponded with Cagiva USA via email today. The regional rep's timely response was that he expected fully adjustable suspension like we did and he has no idea why the forks don't have compression adjustment. He is forwarding potential and existing customer emails to corporate and is awaiting their response.__________________
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Old 04-07-2008, 07:04 PM   #33
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Cost reduction? BMW product marketeers trying to handicap the better steed in the hopes of selling their old dead dogs? I don't know, but sure makes a used '07 look better!
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Old 04-07-2008, 07:24 PM   #34
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Husky corporate responds to the fork issue...sort of.

Interesting new development, Husqvarna has changed the descrption of the '08 TE610 suspension on their website to the following: "The rear swingarm is the same as used on the TE 450/510 models and has a new Sachs shock absorber with compression and rebound adjustment using a redesigned link. At the front is a pair of Marzocchi 45 mm inverted forks. The Brembo brakes feature a floating 4-caliper 260 mm front disc while rear braking is left to a 220 mm disc." No mention of compression or rebound damping adjustment as before. Personally, I think that is the nail in the coffin. It is what it is.
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Old 04-07-2008, 07:25 PM   #35
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Here's what the their web page advertised previously:

"The rear arm is the same as used on the TE 450/510 models and has a new Sachs shock absorber with compression and rebound adjustment using a redesigned link. At the front is a pair of Marzocchi 45 mm inverted forks with adjustable compression and rebound damping. The Brembo brakes feature a floating 4-caliper 260 mm front disc while rear braking is left to a 220 mm disc."
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Old 04-07-2008, 07:27 PM   #36
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C'mon guys. I'm surprised at how accepting you guys are of Husky pulling a fast one on us here with the forks. What if that 6-speed gearbox only had 5 gears in it? Same reaction? This is total crap and I would not be surprised if the boys at Cagiva read these forums to gauge customer reaction and plan strategy. I for one think it stinks that they take away one of the most basic adjustments of suspension, especially in this day and age of ever-advancing performance and component quality. We're going back to the 70's here.

Hopefully this is not their final answer, but I'm suspecting it is.
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Old 04-07-2008, 07:29 PM   #37
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C'mon guys. I'm surprised at how accepting you guys are of Husky pulling a fast one on us here with the forks. What if that 6-speed gearbox only had 5 gears in it? Same reaction? This is total crap and I would not be surprised if the boys at Cagiva read these forums to gauge customer reaction and plan strategy. I for one think it stinks that they take away one of the most basic adjustments of suspension, especially in this day and age of ever-advancing performance and component quality. We're going back to the 70's here.

Hopefully this is not their final answer, but I'm suspecting it is.




Of course I think it stinks too mrkatoom, but your last statement is how I feel too. Compared to KTM, the Husky is budget-priced and they'd probably like to keep it that way (ie: cut costs with the forks). I know what you're thinking, I'd be perfectly willing to pay for premium forks too. I don't think this is a "mistake" by Husqvarna, it's pure marketing strategy. As I said in my previous post, for ME personally, it's not a show stopper. BUT, when you have guys like my riding partner saying "hell no, I'm not buying a bike with archaic forks, I'm buying a KTM" we'll see how well the marketing strategy works. No offense to Husky dealers but if you don't think there are others thinking this, you're wrong. BTW, I was thinking the same thing; are new owners sure their '08 bike is a 6-speed?
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Cost reduction? BMW product marketeers trying to handicap the better steed in the hopes of selling their old dead dogs? I don't know, but sure makes a used '07 look better!
I just got my (very slightly) used '07 last week and have to admit that I am feeling pretty good for having gone that route. But I would remind you '08 owners that if Husqvarna takes care of you in a stand up manner you won't regret buying your bike. It is a very cool machine, this little glitch notwithstanding. The ball is in the court of the Italians to do the right thing. Hopefully, they will.
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Old 04-07-2008, 07:31 PM   #39
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NEWS FLASH. DONT BUY THE HUSKY! you will "SHOW THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Actually that would show them if they had showrooms full of them that they couldn't move, or couldn't until they discounted them. But that's not going to happen if the target audience doesn't use the feature, doesn't see the need for it, or even complain about it being gone.

There are those us that would use it and would like to have it. Maybe when I get it into the New England roots and rocks I won't blow through the stroke and need it, but if I do oil weights and revalving will not be a trailside option.

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Old 04-07-2008, 07:32 PM   #40
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i would cancel your order. it is an obvious feature you feel necessary to enjoy the bike.

after you get the KTM write down how many times you adjusted the compression, then see if you felt it was worth having and post back


How many times do you set your sag? What if you couldn't do that?
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IMHO I think that rebound and compression damping are mandatory on a premium, dual sport bike like the TE610. All I have to think about is my last ride to Baja. I had the forks set one way that was fine for around here, but when I hit my first set of sandy whoops on those backroads in Baja, I found that the frontend would dive and dig into the sand coming off of a crest, greatly upsetting the balance of the bike making me look like a git. Dial in some compression damping on the front and increase rebound on the back and the ride went from "this road sucks" to "Awesome!". Later, when running down roads with lots of rocks, easing up on the compression allowed me to run over those unseen ones without jerking the bars out of my hands or denting a rim. Indeed, gross adjustments can and are done with oil, but it's the fine adjustments that can make a good ride great.

I will get an '08, but if they don't have the full-option forks on by then, I'm replacing them with the ones off of my '06. My last bike was a KTM 640 Adventure and I loved that bike. If I didn't have the option of having my older forks, I would seriously consider getting a KTM again.
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I would continue pressing on the issue of the forks being not as advertised.

They are simply covering their ass for future sales by changing the website. Don't discount the possibility that Husky will take care of you guys. PRESS ON!

Think of it this way...if you let it go and just accept it, you've been had. If you press on and they replace the forks you're as happy as can be. Husky needs to do this as a way to show their care to attention to their customers.

If you got a rebate, you could just swap the forks out for the Marzocchi 45mm "Works" forks that you see on their main page.... They are reportedly AWESOME.
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+1 This makes sense to press on. Maybe Husky will step up to the plate and make it right. Time will tell. :fingers crossed:

The more I think about it the less sense it makes they would do this anyway. Husky builds what I think most of us consider to be high-end weapons. No offense to any owners here, but if it were a DR or a KLR then you could sluff it off cause it's not a race-bred machine and maybe you wouldn't expect it. But such a compromise on a Husky just doesn't fit IMHO.

I'd say that's my .02, but I probably over $1 by now.
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older 610's w/compression adjustment

good grief, my old te610e has compression/rebound adjustment on the forks. let's not go backwards! if i had one on order, i'd hold off and tell 'em why.
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Does anyone have literature of the entire web page stating that the forks have both rebound and compression... I want to use this in my arsenal in my letter so that they dont attempt to refer to the current web site. I would need a copy of the entire page, probably not just the one paragraph....



Husky is covering their tracks pretty good. The pdf files of tech specifications have been updated as well for both SM610 and TE610's. I previously download the files back in February when I was comparing the '07 and '08 bikes... I decided on the '07 model. Anyways, I can email the previous version if you want me to.

Check this out... the foot note on the pdf file lists the same revision level "Tab. 1180 (10/07)" on the old and new tech pages. So, anyone downloading the new file thinks that this specification was created back in October 2007 not in April 2008... tricky bastards.

What is really sad about this is that the adjustable compression valve is not saving Husky a bunch of money. Marzocchi is probably charging $10-20 for this feature. However, consumers will have to pay $100-150 to have it retrofitted by a suspension tuner. IMHO, I would keep pressure on Husky for them to stand behind the previous specs with existing 2008 owners. It will be interesting to see how this ends up... Good luck!

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Here is the original version:



SOSPENSIONE ANTERIORE / Front suspension

TIPO / Type
FORCELLA TELEIDRAULICA A STELI ROVESCIATI E PERNO AVANZATO;
REGOLAZIONE FRENO IDRAULICO IN COMPRESSIONE ED
ESTENSIONE / "Upside-Down" telescopic hydraulic fork with
advanced axle; compression and rebound stroke adjustment
Ø STELI / Fork legs dia. ............................... mm/in. 45 /1.77
CORSA SULL’ASSE GAMBE /
Travel on legs axis ...................................... mm/in. 300 / 11.8
MARCA FORCELLA /
Front fork manufacturer .................................................. . "MARZOCCHI"

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SOSPENSIONE ANTERIORE / Front suspension

TIPO / Type

FORCELLA TELEIDRAULICA A STELI ROVESCIATI E PERNO AVANZATO;
REGOLAZIONE FRENO IDRAULICO
/ "Upside-Down" telescopic hydraulic fork with
advanced axle; rebound stroke adjustment
Ø STELI / Fork legs dia. ............................... mm/in. 45 /1.77
CORSA SULL’ASSE GAMBE /
Travel on legs axis ...................................... mm/in. 300 / 11.8
MARCA FORCELLA /
Front fork manufacturer .................................................. . "MARZOCCHI"

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