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Old Yesterday, 05:07 PM   #1
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Give up on updated Japanese Dual Sport Thumpers?

Plan to get a new bike next year, but the Dual Sport thumpers from Yamaha/Honda/Kawasaki/Suzuki all look 10 years behind the times. Come'on man, FI and inverted forks just for starters.
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Old Yesterday, 05:18 PM   #2
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Old Yesterday, 05:27 PM   #3
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Yea, why would we want a SIMPLE bike to ride the crap out of. Please FI that bitch and ad more elecs than the fucking space shuttle............


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Old Yesterday, 05:29 PM   #4
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WR250R is worth a look. If you can't live with a 250, then yeah, Europe has the goods.
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It's amazing that anyone ever left their driveway before EFI and expensive suspension...



Seriously though, I appreciate high tech goodies, I really do, but for a DS bike I prefer to keep it plain and simple. I bought a new DR650 this year and not based on budget, but I just prefer simple and basic for a bike that I'll be using in the back country. Same way I prefer an old CJ-5 over a new wrangler

Opinions vary though, it wouldn't be bad to see some more expensive offerings for those who crave such bikes. They are kinda lazy about that.
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Plan to get a new bike next year, but the Dual Sport thumpers from Yamaha/Honda/Kawasaki/Suzuki all look 10 years behind the times. Come'on man, FI and inverted forks just for starters.
Agreed and I own one of those outdated over weight pigs.

To be fair you could put USD fork and FI on a XR650R... Us honda owners can dream right?
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Old Yesterday, 07:27 PM   #7
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Plan to get a new bike next year, but the Dual Sport thumpers from Yamaha/Honda/Kawasaki/Suzuki all look 10 years behind the times. Come'on man, FI and inverted forks just for starters.

I wonder who changed the forks on my 95 KLX650 and my 09 KLX250... seems they both have inverted forks.

Apparently the gremlins were working overtime on the Honda CRF and Yamaha WR250R seems someone stole the standard forks and carbs leaving EFI and inverted forks in their place... nasty little bastards!
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Old Yesterday, 07:44 PM   #8
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maico..when they were dialed in nutin could run with em..problem was getting them dialed in (is anything different today?)..if i was buying a new euro bike i would get a beta..i see a beta in my future unless yamaha does sumthin good with the wr450
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It's amazing that anyone ever left their driveway before EFI and expensive suspension...



Seriously though, I appreciate high tech goodies, I really do, but for a DS bike I prefer to keep it plain and simple. I bought a new DR650 this year and not based on budget, but I just prefer simple and basic for a bike that I'll be using in the back country. Same way I prefer an old CJ-5 over a new wrangler

Opinions vary though, it wouldn't be bad to see some more expensive offerings for those who crave such bikes. They are kinda lazy about that.
FI is for EPA,it doesnt give more HP. And if it breaks or gets dirt in it,and you dont have the right stuff to fix it,it goes on the truck.
my DR runs fine from sea level to 10,000',not a problem.

2 to 3 guys,a 6 pack,a couple tools and a carb can be got working again.
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FI is for EPA,it doesnt give more HP. And if it breaks or gets dirt in it,and you dont have the right stuff to fix it,it goes on the truck.
my DR runs fine from sea level to 10,000',not a problem.

2 to 3 guys,a 6 pack,a couple tools and a carb can be got working again.
Questions for you, and others who like carbs over fi.
Would you buy a brand new car with carbs?
Have you ever had fi problems on any of your cars?

On every vehicle I've owned. Over at least 1million miles I haven't had a single fi problem. But I have had issues with carbs.

Sure carbs are simple, and I can fix them myself. But if the fuel injection never breaks then it's complexity is irrelevant.

I know for sure I wouldn't own a car with carbs. And I'm inclined to only by fi bikes too now.
I don't see people refusing to buy cars as it has fi. Quite the opposite I think. So why should bikes be different.

Bikes are just 20 years behind cars in lots of ways.
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Questions for you, and others who like carbs over fi.
Would you buy a brand new car with carbs?
Have you ever had fi problems on any of your cars?

On every vehicle I've owned. Over at least 1million miles I haven't had a single fi problem. But I have had issues with carbs.

Sure carbs are simple, and I can fix them myself. But if the fuel injection never breaks then it's complexity is irrelevant.

I know for sure I wouldn't own a car with carbs. And I'm inclined to only by fi bikes too now.
I don't see people refusing to buy cars as it has fi. Quite the opposite I think. So why should bikes be different.

Bikes are just 20 years behind cars in lots of ways.
Spent many years in a shop wrenching on cars. Replaced hundreds of fuel pumps,injectors,o2 sensors, map sensors.....Now I work in the auto industry, and we still sell plenty of all of those parts, and I would be willing to bet most of these customers dont play in the dirt with their cars.

Beta is the top choice for a modern dual sport
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Old Yesterday, 08:59 PM   #12
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I don't think you will get an answer from Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki, here. I may be wrong though.
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Old Yesterday, 09:23 PM   #13
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I've got a 96dr350se

Love the platform. See if Suzuki will do us a 400 e start scrambler with a ill wider ratio 6sp trans & FI. I'd sign up. Really do like my DR though.
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Old Yesterday, 09:41 PM   #14
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Beta is the top choice for a modern dual sport
are the new beta 390rs and similar usable as a real travel dual sport, or do they have race like service requirements?

they could be the ideal thing if they can be ridden big distances too..
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Plan to get a new bike next year, but the Dual Sport thumpers from Yamaha/Honda/Kawasaki/Suzuki all look 10 years behind the times. Come'on man, FI and inverted forks just for starters.
I would love to see an updated DR650 with those specs!
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