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Old 06-26-2008, 08:00 AM   #391
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I think the comments we are making are intended to be a piece of information that future riders of the TAT should file away. When you set down with your GPS and begin to create tracks from Sam's maps it looks like you have hundreds of possibilities for alternate routes and bypasses. But in reality you have few and you can't tell what they are by looking at a map.

More and more people seem to be putting up gates and blocking access to property which makes creating routes like the TAT so much more difficult today. People seem to think that Sam's charges a lot for his maps and that anyone could put a ride like this together from maps. No one who has actually ridden the TAT (particularly the western sections) thinks this is true.


And you did make the trip and created an adventure you will remember for the rest of your life and one which has entertained thousands of us for months. We thank you.

Your view of the old bikes is refreshing, "run what you brung" is really what it is all about. As long as you are on the trail experiencing what a ride like the TAT offers, life is good.

Jim in Sacramento
Jim, Thanks for adding to this discussion for the single reason that many ride the TAT, but I am not sure after my experiences on the TAT, how many ride from end to end. That is a rough ass trail after the contiueous beating that it gives you and the constant reward it blesses one, I can only wonder how the HELL DO THEY RIDE A GS1200 thru some of this. I am not sure they do.

I know we all protect Sam's Maps, the GPS routes as well unless I know his maps have been purchased by the user, and some of the info so not to spoil a good show, but there were a few days I wish I had a phone number to call and say is this right.

Vintage Bikes: I broke down my feeling of this sport earlier. GasPipe and BigDog both have offered the same in a different way. Less is more in adventure riding.

So far a good ole 2 stroke, kick starting, mechanical braking, air cooled, enduro seems to be working out quite well for its orginal designed task assignment.

Oddly enough, I find that when I am thinking of a trip it is the DT400C Mountain Bike that comes to mind first. Its not all that bad to ride if you know what I mean.
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Old 06-26-2008, 08:04 AM   #392
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I left New Mexico on July 7th, last year, and I pulled into Battle Mountain on July 14th. Rode into Port Orford around July 22nd.

I thought it was likely the best ride I'd ever taken. I went on some TAT training rides with a buddy from Santa Fe, who was planning to ride the TAT with another guy from Colorado. I tried to hook up with these two, but the Colorado rider, well, shut me out of going with them, so I rode it by myself, at the same time. They caught me in Green River and I was able to ride the next day with them, thrrough the San Raphael Swell. The Santa Fe guy over heated his motor and I ended up giving him a ride back to Green River. I rode the remainder of the ride solo. It may be a frightening fact, but I ran into absolutely no one on the trail, not rider, rancher, prospecter or logger the entire time. You are on your own on this ride !
Man, I have nothing to say but WOOOOOWWWWW. I dont think I would do NV alone, might, but dont know. My ass busting kinda took a little piss and whim out of me.
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Old 06-26-2008, 08:20 AM   #393
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My Last day

I have no pictures of this day.

First a ten minute over haul of the carb and the pint of water removed from the gas tank, starting a little late and a little bit of unknown of what was ahead had a odd feeling for me.

Second, hit a locked gate right out of the starting shoot. Shit, more of those damn gates today.

Effort was to ride a big part of the TAT then make a cross over and head North to meet the chase truck. Mako has it all above. I found Soldier Pass while cruzing down the dirt highway so thought that would be the quickest way over this range and into the valley we needed to be in.

I short cut to the Soldier Pass road, nothing special, couple water crossing a little sand, then BOOOOOMMM, my front end went deep and down.

SLOW MOTION: I dont want to fall, dont put my leg out just roll, then over the top, on my damn head, POOOOOOOOPPPPPP, AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH, thump and down I am.

I knew the second my helmet went over and popped the collar bone. SOB still hurts now.

Gary pretty much got the rest right, Get the bike up and get me off this damn mountain before if Stove Up. Take these, not start the bike, I gotta get down before I stove up.

I did not tell Gary, but EnduroDoctor turned the gas off, that is how the bike died on the way down.

Anyway, I just remember, Joe in the mirror and next too me. Few times wondering what I was doing on the shoulder, and my vision closing. I could see town and only wanted a place to sit as my last effort to sit resulted in my PARTNERS planting my ass in a sticker patch. Finally the bar, a bench, and I am done. I could not go much farther so there I landed and so came the end if my adventure for this year.

Ride to the Hospital, by a Miner who was drinking early in the day, few drugs from my doctor buddy at the hospital, long night in a chair at the hotel, long ride to Reno, and a First Class ride home to the Boss. There you have it.
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Old 06-26-2008, 08:24 AM   #394
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Solder Pass Road

Mako, that was Solder Pass Road here that backhoe was plowing it way down the mountain in that deep ass sand.

That was what caused me to stop and see if you all wanted to take that Pass Road or go another way, but I crashed when I went to stop.
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Old 06-26-2008, 08:30 AM   #395
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[quote=I also hope people reading this---realize-------the trip will not go as your plan-----we made no plan---just rode all day---wherever we ended up is where we ended up---------the result would have been the same whether we made a plan or not---so it's useless to make one.[/quote]

BigDog, I think that may be another FAILURE of mine on this ride. We only had so much time, so we had a PLAN and when we got messed up we had to make up or try to make up. Heavy on the try.

You dead right, No Plan Necessary, Just ride and see where it goes, definately would have made the trip less of a we need to be atmoshpere.
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Old 06-26-2008, 11:52 AM   #396
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Man, I have nothing to say but WOOOOOWWWWW. I dont think I would do NV alone, might, but dont know. My ass busting kinda took a little piss and whim out of me.


Thanks, Vinnie. Woooowww is the word I use when describing your adventure.

As a rider nearing the end of his 50's and one who only took up dirt riding a few years ago, muttonhead might be a better descriptor for me. Even Bob Nafus, the gas station operator in Kanosh must have thought I was a bit foolish.

I trained hard before the ride, had wanted to do this ride, convinced myself I could do it alone on a DRZ, learned how to use a garmin gps a during the last month before I took off, stayed up until after 3 am the night before I left projecting route waypoints on the gps.....then just took off.

I had a lot of resolve not to fail. I also had a lot of resolve not to fall down, but, well, that one went away. Deep sugar sand in places like Cat Canyon and just before going up Patterson Pass had me flopping like a baby. I made some long scary ascents and descents which really made me wish I was not riding alone, but somehow I came through. Oh, and the DRZ never quit !


I was a lucky mofo that it went okay. Would have prefered to have some riding pardners, tho. Actually getting ready for TAT08-the sequel. Taking off with 3 other riders to re-ride the western TAT starting this Sunday.

It has been extremely interesting to read about your adventure, and I will take some of this with me....especially as I cross the Paiute Trail.


Somewhere in the Nevada sagebrush.......

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Old 06-26-2008, 01:04 PM   #397
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I had a lot of resolve not to fail. I also had a lot of resolve not to fall down, but, well, that one went away. Deep sugar sand in places like Cat Canyon and just before going up Patterson Pass had me flopping like a baby.
This brings a smile to the face of anyone who has ridden the full western TAT. There are very few pictures of this section because you are sucking wind so bad you think you will die and all you want to do is find some shade. If there was ever a section of the TAT that you should hope for rain on, this would be it.

Great Adventure arroyoshark, but you must have had incredible feeling of satisfaction when you hit the coast. When you are riding by yourself in the middle of nowhere your riding style and decision making process change dramatically. I don't think you were lucky at all, I think you were prepared.

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Old 06-26-2008, 01:46 PM   #398
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Thanks, Vinnie. Woooowww is the word I use when describing your adventure.

As a rider nearing the end of his 50's and one who only took up dirt riding a few years ago, muttonhead might be a better descriptor for me. Even Bob Nafus, the gas station operator in Kanosh must have thought I was a bit foolish.

I trained hard before the ride, had wanted to do this ride, convinced myself I could do it alone on a DRZ, learned how to use a garmin gps a during the last month before I took off, stayed up until after 3 am the night before I left projecting route waypoints on the gps.....then just took off.

I had a lot of resolve not to fail. I also had a lot of resolve not to fall down, but, well, that one went away. Deep sugar sand in places like Cat Canyon and just before going up Patterson Pass had me flopping like a baby. I made some long scary ascents and descents which really made me wish I was not riding alone, but somehow I came through. Oh, and the DRZ never quit !


I was a lucky mofo that it went okay. Would have prefered to have some riding pardners, tho. Actually getting ready for TAT08-the sequel. Taking off with 3 other riders to re-ride the western TAT starting this Sunday.

It has been extremely interesting to read about your adventure, and I will take some of this with me....especially as I cross the Paiute Trail.


Somewhere in the Nevada sagebrush.......

I might have advantage of experience on this type of riding lifestyle. Been doing it for 35 years or so. My dad kept me on a bike in Colorado and Oklahoma during my teens to keep me busy. I also found cross country riding thru the woods with no trail was a great way to learn balance for Football and Wrestling.

1976 - Testing the Mountain Bike on Marshall Pass Road - part of the TAT bypass South of Salida, Co.


Adventure Ride 1975 - Colorado 8 days on the Contential Divide.


GPS is the new way. I figure the more I know info wise the better I can make my decisions on a ride. So I do alot of homework before I ride.

BigDog has it right, make no plans. From now on that will be my method of Adventure Rideing so not to push when I should enjoy.

I think we both the same and them that puts the whole adventure riding group in a common line. We like to see what is around the next corner and so on. With a goal to finish at some point and look for the next adventure.

Failing is not an option, I have to finish this for me. I just hope that my adventrue brings others a smile, maybe a reason to go for a ride, or just a way to build a dream and accomplish it. Riding a vintage bike was bringing the past back home for me. Long story that I am sure not many care to hear. Lets just say, I have to do for me. "I never want to say I wish I had of _____________" again. Did it once and still makes me sad to think I let an opportunity go by.

GOOD LUCK on the ride and be sure to do a report.
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Old 06-26-2008, 01:51 PM   #399
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This brings a smile to the face of anyone who has ridden the full western TAT. There are very few pictures of this section because you are sucking wind so bad you think you will die and all you want to do is find some shade. If there was ever a section of the TAT that you should hope for rain on, this would be it.

Great Adventure arroyoshark, but you must have and incredible feeling of satisfaction when you hit the coast. When you are riding by yourself in the middle of nowhere your riding style and decision making process change dramatically. I don't think you were lucky at all, I think you were prepared.

Jim in Sacramento
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Old 06-26-2008, 05:50 PM   #400
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Mako, that was Solder Pass Road here that backhoe was plowing it way down the mountain in that deep ass sand.

That was what caused me to stop and see if you all wanted to take that Pass Road or go another way, but I crashed when I went to stop.
Actually, when I overlaid the track from the day from my gps onto the google map, the road that is labeled Soldier Pass is the one just north of where we were when you crashed. Not much, but just a bit.

Location of Crash Site lat=41.0610869297, lon=-117.335710496



I think what happened is we should have gone up into the ranch where the gate was a bit to get the other path. Wouldn't have mattered though - the road the grader was on was probably that bad all the way up. Anthony and I were talking about that, and maybe we could have gotten up along side it or something, but the road looked pretty impassable, even if you were not hurt. Good thing was you hurt yourself BEFORE we got halfway up the damn hill - would have needed to call the helicopter for sure!

Oh - and BTW - I recall you sitting in the stickers all by yourself . . . made me cry it was just too funny!
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Old 06-26-2008, 05:57 PM   #401
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Monument

I think somebody needs to put up a combination
Monument and Danger Sign
where Vinnie crashed
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Old 06-26-2008, 07:55 PM   #402
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yes a monument would be great for pictures
great ride report and hope all heals up well.
leaving aug 4 for my sagga of the tat.may it be as interesting and less painfull!!
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I know I used to do it all the time because until I found this forum, hell I did not know others rode like this.
Vance, that's how I ended up here, too. I thought I was the only idiot in the world doing this sort of stuff just a decade ago.

What a home I have found here.

This has been a great read, and thanks for sharing it with us.

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The Three remaining Stooges depart for parts unknown!

We awoke once again to sunny skies but today there was a bit of a cloud on the trip. 50% of our riders would go no farther on the trip. Vinnie and Anthony had tickets waiting at Reno International to take them back to Broken Arrow and Raleigh respectively. Robert had decided he would just saddle up the 990 and dog it all the way back to Oklahoma.


The Enduro Doctor just before departure to Reno

Mako, Joe and Dman would press on with the ongoing support of Nick in the chase truck and trailer. We also would carry the S.P.O.T locator unit along with us to the Pacific. In part for the safety feature, and in part to maintain the uploads for our fan club.

The plan was for Nick to cart Anthony and Vinnie to the Airport,


Vinnie ready to head to Reno

then drive up 395 and meet up with us in Lakeview, Oregon. We would head north from Winnemucca to Denio Jct, then catch as much of the TAT as we could manage then on the Lakeview. That put us essentially without support for the day.

Before everyone departed, we performed a Knobendectomy to Vinnie's rear tire. Joe would carry the knob on the ride,





and we would dip it into the waters of the Pacific so Vinnie would have one of a kind souvenier of the trip besides the metal in his shoulder.

A last minute photo of the three that would go on:


Joe, Dman and Mako

Dman and Mako both had the TAT tracks loaded in their GPS units, so we felt confident of finding our way west. Dman had decided his knee was more important than making the whole ride on the old vintage iron, so he was piloting the big 650. Joe was without a headlight still, so we stopped at the local Yamaha shop in hopes of finding some NOS parts - to no avail. He would continue to ride in the dark for the day. I had discovered a fried wire from my battery (probably a casualty of the rack disinigration, but my lights still worked, so I decided to deal with it later.)



We headed out of Winnemucca a bit NW and followed some slab for a few miles then hit the gravel which would accompany us across some very lonely territory. I had driven in this general area in a car a number of years ago, and the memorable part of the trip was the lack of memorable features! This is some really empty area. For reference we were following Jungo Road almost directly West.

We came to what was a dry lake bed that was HUGE. It measures on Google Earth at about 2 miles wide and 7.5 miles long.







It was also very hot, and the heat gave the dry lake bed the mirage effect, looking like quite an oasis in the distance. We had to do our imitation of astronauts on the moon since that was the closest thing to compare this area to.



At a place the map calls Jungo (seems to be just a junction for Jungo Road and Bottle Creek Rd) we headed North along the dry lake bed and headed towards some medium sized mountains.



This area was all very hot, very straight, and fairly dusty.



We passed half a dozen ranches, but that was about it. I don't recall seeing any humans all the way to our intersection with Highway 140 at Bottle Creek Road.



We didn't follow Bottle Creek Rd for most of this, but apparently we paralleled and re-joined it along the way. There were no road signs anywhere to tell us this stuff.

Back on 140, we headed towards Denio Jct., where we knew we could get gas and some lunch.





Along the way we found an isolated rest area where we got some shade, and topped off our oil tanks.



One of the things that is difficult as you get a bit older is your eyes start to go. Which makes reading a GPS difficult at best. Add the incessant bright sunlight and you have a problem. My solution . . .



Walmart Readers in front of my riding sun glasses. Works better than you might think!

We also ran into a herd of either deer or some related species.






As we came into Denio Jct, the GPS indicated we should be crossing over the TAT, and based on the paper maps, we should have. The crossing was nowhere to be found. Dman even went back and rode the section again, but could not find it anywhere.



Somewhat stumped and very much hungry we decided to partake of what Denio advertised as the best burger and milkshake in town! Since they were the only business in town, it was probably true!



Everyone had a side of beef on a bun and the walls displayed the remains of the donor.



I had to have one of their milkshakes and the verdict? If you are in Denio - Get the burger and the shake!



We waddled out of there and headed west on 140,



intent on catching up with the trail a couple miles up the road, as we had plotted out a section to ride over lunch. Passing what showed as a lake, (later determined to be "Continental Lake") but was yet another big flat sand flat, we came to the gravel road that indicated we could catch the TAT.



When we came to the trail, it was obvious we were at the other end of the section we could not find before lunch, but going west seemed pretty clear. The roads were good but concealed what we were headed into.

One cool thing we saw in this area was two small herds of wild Mules! Horse sized critters with jack rabbit ears and not very photogenic. Actually they just moved to quickly for me to get stopped and a shot off.

As the trail left the main road, it became far less developed and at one point Dman decided he was not going to wrestle the Pig (the big Honda) up some trail that he didn't think would be good for his knee. It ended up being a good call.



Joe and I pressed on and the trail got progressively rockier and less pronounced.



Then, the GPS routed us off the main trail across what looked like open desert - no - wait a minute - ok - there is a trace of a trail here. Might have been left by the wagon trains but a definite path.







Then we come upon what looks like any other uphill section across a sidehill covered with sagebrush. Looking deceptively simple. I crash on and head up the hill and discover it is a LOT steeper than it looked, narrower than it looked, and covered with grapefruit-sized rocks that are too numerous to avoid.

The lack of suspension kept my tires constantly bouncing, at one point ending up sideways on the trail. I got is straightened around, knowing full well that if I biffed over the edge, I was gonna end up like Vinnie - or worse.

Finally I made it up and staggered over to the edge to look back at what I had just gone through.



Then I saw Joe. He was following the trail and seemed to be stopped about a third of the way up.



Then my radio crackled and he called me a few names I'd rather not repeat on a family friendly board. My response was that he needed to keep coming up, because I didn't think I could ride the bike down. He grumbled and shut off the radio, then I heard his bike start back up the trail.





When he made it, we both got off and made a pact that we would file a formal complaint against Sam C for not warning of this little disaster waiting to happen. Maybe it would have been easy on a mono-shock with a foot of travel, but on the old twin-shocks, it was brutal.

To give you a better idea of what this area looks like, here are some graphics of the section from different angles and zooms:



A different angle:



Yet another angle:



And a closeup of the hill climb:



The rest of the way up to the top of the hill, the road improved then it became really nice, rolling over the top of the hills amongst grass and sagebrush. This section could have been driven in a mini van if you could have figured out how to get it up there.

We saw a couple of really pretty antelopes on this section, but none close enough to get a good picture.





Eventually we met up with Dman near where the trail intersects with Virgin Valley Ranch road.



There is a nice campground there and we say numerous dual sport bikes camped there. No time to talk as we needed to make Lakeview, OR, still some 87 miles away. We decide to take the slab on in as we are really pooped at this point.

Arriving in Oregon, we give a sigh of relief!





Along the way we come to the Doherty Hang Gliding Launch, which is a BLM maintained site on the top of Guano Rim just off of 140.



I didn't know it then, but I understand that Lakeview is nationally known as the Hang Gliding Capitol of the West. We didn't get to see anyone launch, but the view was stupendous!





The site is at about 6,200 feet and is about 1,000 feet above the valley floor.



We end up coming to Adel, OR, just past Greaser Reservoir, which no one even knew existed. The Adel post office was established in 1896, and was either named for a former sweetheart of the owner of the land on which it was established, or for a local cow, Leda, but with the spelling reversed. Either way, it is a good tale.

The good news is they had a little bar and store with a lone gas pump. We went in and found the proprietor and half a dozen locals having their afternoon cocktail. Got kinda quiet when we walked in - like an old western - but they were all friendly. Got some cold sodas and some fresh gas which took the edge off the last section into Lakeview, about 30 miles away.



Riding West of Adel, you share a canyon with Deep Creek and you go by a really neat waterfall, called, oddly enough, Deep Creek Falls.


Stock photo from the internet

My photo from the Road



A bit more runoff when we went through!

This section was one of the nicest we did all day. The temps were far more comfortable, and the terrain began to get some trees. The road was begging for a sportbike, but the old enduros did their best and delivered an entertaining ride.





A bit over halfway to Lakeview, you pass through Warner Canyon which is just pretty open area between the mountains. As you start back into the more rugged terrain, you pass Warner Canyon Ski area whose base lodge is right on the highway. Fortunately for our ride, it was not operating!

Shortly thereafter you drop down to highway 395 and it is south on the flat slab to Lakeview where we are able to raise nick on the cell phone, and find out he has procured us some fine lodging at the International 8 hotel.



Some really nice folks and one of the fattest canine creatures I have ever run into. Started out as a bit of a growler, but morphed into a big softie before we got out of the lobby.



Decent rooms, Wireless internet, little burger joint across the street, donuts in the morning. What more could we ask for?



I for one, asked for some Solarcane - as I had made the mistake earlier of riding without gloves due to the heat - big mistake. I spent the next two days riding with my gloves soaked in Solarcane. The do have a nice Safeway for provisions if you need them.


The mighty steeds at the end of a long, successful day!

We got a snack at the little burger joint before turning in for the night, though we spent a good amount of time sorting over the gazetteer trying to come up with a workable route across central Oregon which would get us to the coast and some good back country riding at the same time.

All in all, one of the more successful riding days of the trip!

Next: Mission: Crater Lake, Oregon!
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Actually, when I overlaid the track from the day from my gps onto the google map, the road that is labeled Soldier Pass is the one just north of where we were when you crashed. Not much, but just a bit.

Location of Crash Site lat=41.0610869297, lon=-117.335710496



I think what happened is we should have gone up into the ranch where the gate was a bit to get the other path. Wouldn't have mattered though - the road the grader was on was probably that bad all the way up. Anthony and I were talking about that, and maybe we could have gotten up along side it or something, but the road looked pretty impassable, even if you were not hurt. Good thing was you hurt yourself BEFORE we got halfway up the damn hill - would have needed to call the helicopter for sure!

Oh - and BTW - I recall you sitting in the stickers all by yourself . . . made me cry it was just too funny!
Hell just another road to no where out there, gotta take one and go.

As far as the stickers. I am pretty sure my partners helped me down there. Funny, yes if I had not been hurting so damn bad I would have laughed too. It was funny, broke bones and stickers in my arse and could not do anything about either one.
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